[ACGG POST] Nevermind's TV/Monitor guide.

[Nevermind]

[Please Note, this Post is part of the ASTRO Community Gaming Group and is used strictly for information. In no way does ASTRO specifically endorse any particular product or company, but these are suggestions of some available products out on the market that have been made by our Community. -ASTRO Warblade]

This guide will be split up into two sections. TV's and monitors. I'm not trying to put anyone down but people who are serious and want to get the best performance out of their equipment skip to the Monitor section.


TV's:

Now right from the get go I'm going to tell you that TVs are not good for serious gaming, of you are after a do it all tv you won't find one. Compromises are what you're going to have to live with, Ideally your best bet is to buy a TV for movies and TV and all that with great picture quality and a large screen. If you want to compromise for gaming, you're going to have to do your research. The best response time I've seen on a TV is 5ms and is was quite small. An averaged best is 8ms. For size, I wouldn't suggest anything over 26 inches for a gaming TV. 22 is generally the standard but because you're already sacrificing the performance of the TV going over is acceptable. There's not much more I can suggest but if you are a casual gamer who wants to use a TV for everything for whatever reason you're best bet is to get a medium sized TV max 32inches with 8ms response time as the best you will most likely find. as for types of TVs LEDs are by far the best. I'm not going to go over the reasons but if it is requested I will. LEDs are quite expensive although the LG LEDs are getting cheaper. Now if you can't get your hands on an LED you have to weigh up what you want deciding between a LCD and a Plasma, Plasmas have better picture quality i.e deeper blacks but they chew up electricity like nothing else they are also easily damageable and are venerable to image burn which gaming systems are known for. LCDs are reliable consume much less energy and re generally cheaper with a generally faster response time. Deciding what is right for you is up to your personal situation and what you want to do with your TV. If you are unsure feel free to ask me for specific advice.


Monitors:

Any serious gamer will buy a monitor for gaming the best thing about this is they are generally cheap, you can pick up a decent 22inch monitor for around $200. Now the general standard is 22 inches, this is to make sure you don't strain your eyes and cause you to lose focus on the actual happenings of the game trying to take in a large picture. Having said that 22 inches is the standard, it is not law many monitors will hover around this measurement i.e 21.5 inches 22.3 inches and so on, as long as its roughly around the 22inch mark you should be fine. Looking for ports on your monitor should be to match your gaming rig, if you buy a HD monitor with a single HDMI input and you have no HDMI output on your gaming rig you will not experience any boost in graphic duality from using an adapter, if you want a HD picture upgrade your PC's hardware or your gaming console. There has been talk of HD gaming lag and this is founded, in some instances, most of the time it is down to the processing power of your hardware. This milisecond lag is negligible in my opinion but if you are concerned I encourage you to further research this subject. RESPONSE TIME!!! ok this is the big one the second thing you look for when you search for a monitor, first being size, the standard MLG tv has a 5ms response time, this is good but not the best. 2ms response time is the best I have seen and if you can opt for a monitor with a 2ms response time. Now most companies state the GTG (grey to grey) response time but some state the true response time BWB (black to white to black) generally a 2msBWB monitor will be better than a 2msGTG monitor but the difference again in my opinion is negligible. In short you are looking for a roughly 22inch monitor that matched your systems output with the best response time you can find.

Don't stress if you cannot find a 22inch full 1080p HDMI 2msBWB monitor it's not necessary and I doubt they even exist, you are looking for the best you can find for a decent price.



Corrections and suggestions are very welcome and questions are encouraged to.

hope this has helped.

Nevermind-

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[sgtH]

Sweet info!

ok so i am using my PS3 on a 32" TV and its very hard after awhile to pay attention to it all because it is kinda big and i am very close to it, if i were to want to hook my PS3 up to my moniter what should i do? HDMI to DVI?

my moniter has VGA and DVI. no hdmi

thanks for help

also is ms response time good if it is high or low? mine is 2ms on moniter

[ittekimasu]

Sweet info!

ok so i am using my PS3 on a 32" TV and its very hard after awhile to pay attention to it all because it is kinda big and i am very close to it, if i were to want to hook my PS3 up to my moniter what should i do? HDMI to DVI?

my moniter has VGA and DVI. no hdmi

thanks for help

also is ms response time good if it is high or low? mine is 2ms on moniter

hmm when the ps3 first came out i was looking for a monitor which supported it, back then i don't think an hdmi port was too common on monitors so started researching about using a hdmi to dvi cable but if i remember correctly due to the encoding that goes through the hdmi using a hdmi to dvi cable wouldn't work. I'm not entirely sure on whether any of this is relevant now but thought i'd just throw it in incase it was.

[joe2heatley]

do you think this would be a good monitor?

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Gaming_Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-8218

[Nevermind]

Sweet info!

ok so i am using my PS3 on a 32" TV and its very hard after awhile to pay attention to it all because it is kinda big and i am very close to it, if i were to want to hook my PS3 up to my moniter what should i do? HDMI to DVI?

my moniter has VGA and DVI. no hdmi

thanks for help

also is ms response time good if it is high or low? mine is 2ms on moniter

the lower the better. 2ms is ideal

get a HDMI to DVI adapter.

Hope this helps.

[Nevermind]

do you think this would be a good monitor?

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Gaming_Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-8218

Alienware make brilliant hardware and yes that monitor is ideal if a little overpriced.

have a look for a benq E2200HD you can probably pick one up for just under 200

[sgtH]

thanks for the help Nevermind, do you have any idea where i could get a HDMI to DVI? also how does that alienware moniter compare to the latest 22" Syncmaster

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4386851&CatId=2775

[Nevermind]

thanks for the help Nevermind, do you have any idea where i could get a HDMI to DVI? also how does that alienware moniter compare to the latest 22" Syncmaster

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4386851&CatId=2775

The alienware monitor has a better response time, HDMI inputs a better resolution better contrast ratio I could go on, the alienware monitor is a hardcore built for gamers monitor, having said that the samsung isn't bad either but is definitely overpriced. At those prices i'd go with the alienware monitor, it's better and cheaper.

For a HDMI to DVI adapter you can try electronics stores I'm not sure what you have over there but radio shack may have them. You can try mainstream stores like wallmart but electronic stores are your best bet.

In Australia I'd go to JBHIFI or Dick Smith electronics.

[sgtH]

i just found this on a site for 9 bucks
http://www.cablesdirect.com/prodimages/HDVI-FM_LR.jpg

cool guide also, made me want to put gaming on moniter with astro's after christmas

[warri]

This is the monitor i use, its great for my PC gaming, and my Xbox, I have my PS3 hooked up to my 26' Insignia TV (cause i dont play competitive ps3)


http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236043

[ASTRO stanimal]

Likin' this. Nicely done man.

*stickied*

- ASTRO Stanimal

[Nevermind]

Likin' this. Nicely done man.

*stickied*

- ASTRO Stanimal

There's more from me to come :)

[Nevermind]

i just found this on a site for 9 bucks
http://www.cablesdirect.com/prodimages/HDVI-FM_LR.jpg

cool guide also, made me want to put gaming on moniter with astro's after christmas

nice compact little thing, good find.

[Nevermind]

This is the monitor i use, its great for my PC gaming, and my Xbox, I have my PS3 hooked up to my 26' Insignia TV (cause i dont play competitive ps3)


http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236043

I couldn't find it on the manufacturers website but based on the specs from newegg it's a nice monitor, any fluctuations in the picture?

[sgtH]

i use a Syncmaster 226BW right now, if i were to buy lets say that Alienware moniter, do you think i would see any major upgrade?

also you said moniters were good if you were serious about gaming, i use a off-brand 32" TV and i think the colors may be pretty dull. (http://www.dr-tech.com/DLCD32.html),
and you think i will see any visual difference in switching to ps3 on moniter?

[Nevermind]

i use a Syncmaster 226BW right now, if i were to buy lets say that Alienware moniter, do you think i would see any major upgrade?

also you said moniters were good if you were serious about gaming, i use a off-brand 32" TV and i think the colors may be pretty dull. (http://www.dr-tech.com/DLCD32.html),
and you think i will see any visual difference in switching to ps3 on moniter?

The alienware monitor is technically better weather it's a big enough difference to warrant buying a new monitor is the question. The only real difference you will see is a mow to moderate improvement in the picture quality. That depends greatly on the signal being sent to the monitor though. Personally, I think the monitor you have now is sufficient.

Save your cash, I know people who play on old tube TVs who are absolutely amazing a friend of mine, bullet, he's a ridiculous sniper and he plays on an old 32inch tube TV. It's no use playing with him, you as soon as he sees you you've got a bullet through your face.

as for the TV vs monitor, PS3 hardware is like a body builder so pumped up on steroids it's a little scary (in comparison to other consoles) so if you where to switch the PS3 over to a monitor the difference in picture quality would rely on the quality of the monitor as the PS3 boasts some of the best console graphics out there. So if you where to buy a monitor to match the graphical capabilities of a PS3 you would indeed see a large noticeable difference in picture quality and response time.

hope this has helped.

[i_2_the_rish]

Also... just to add onto the thread... the biggest you probably want to go for a monitor is 23"... now I found this monitor on Newegg... it is currently out-of-stock, but it is 23" 2ms(GTG) HD 1080p LCD 20000:1 aspect ratio:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

Great buy... Only bad reviews were about bad sound (Astro's should fix this ;))

Another great buy which is Number 1 on the Newegg LCD Monitor Top Sellers is the Hanns-G $159.99
22" 5ms LCD Monitor 1000:1 Aspect ratio:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254035

Just though I would help :D

-i 2 the rish

[Nevermind]

Also... just to add onto the thread... the biggest you probably want to go for a monitor is 23"... now I found this monitor on Newegg... it is currently out-of-stock, but it is 23" 2ms(GTG) HD 1080p LCD 20000:1 aspect ratio:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

Great buy... Only bad reviews were about bad sound (Astro's should fix this ;))

Another great buy which is Number 1 on the Newegg LCD Monitor Top Sellers is the Hanns-G $159.99
22" 5ms LCD Monitor 1000:1 Aspect ratio:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254035

Just though I would help :D

-i 2 the rish

Nice sourcing mate. Thanks for the contribution.

[i_2_the_rish]

Nice sourcing mate. Thanks for the contribution.

NP... I'm getting a Monitor for Christmas, so I've been searching for a while now... Funny thing is, when I first started looking... I had no idea about what a good kind of monitor is... but now it is easy for me :D

[Nevermind]

NP... I'm getting a Monitor for Christmas, so I've been searching for a while now... Funny thing is, when I first started looking... I had no idea about what a good kind of monitor is... but now it is easy for me :D

yeh I've got a benq E2200 on it's way for chrissy, might look into that alienware monitor

[Nikalou]

I have 2 of these

5ms, but right now on newegg they are 150 after rebate and full 1080p

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236051&cm_re=asus_monitor-_-24-236-051-_-Product

[i_2_the_rish]

I have 2 of these

5ms, but right now on newegg they are 150 after rebate and full 1080p

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236051&cm_re=asus_monitor-_-24-236-051-_-Product

Great find! Very good looking monitor and great numbers...

[Call Me Smoothy]

Hey so let me make sure this is right...if you play on Xbox you can still use a monitor for your screen if you run hdmi? You also wont have any need for the speakers due to the fact that you have Astros correct? Because im thinking about getting a computer desk and making a real gaming station in my room i jsut wanna get all the facts before i go ahead and start dumping my cash into something and then find out it isnt going to work....And the monitor on the link above is most likely one of the best you will find right? As in the what Nevermind was describing??

[ASTRO Warblade]

Smoothy, I don't think any of these monitors have the optical out portion, so you'll still need to be able to run the optical cable from the Xbox. This can be done with that "Composite Cable Hack" that people have posted before, or by using the official Xbox optical dongle (which is a little pricey).

[Call Me Smoothy]

Yea man i already use that hack..i just wanted to make sure that the monitors take hdmi cause thats all i have to is run the hdmi cable to the monitor right?

[ASTRO Warblade]

Hrm, I just realized I had my VGA xbox adaptor in the car too, so I checked that, and it actually has the optical connection there as well. I picked it up from monoprice.com (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10830&cs_id=1083005&p_id=4010&seq=1&format=2) for a cheaper price than the official xbox one. So if you didn't want to run the HDMI & the Composite hacked cable thing, you could use this (The VGA connection will work with 1080p as well).

Regarding if the monitor takes HDMI video, well of course. =P It wouldn't be just for audio. As long as the monitor supports HDMI, it'll work with the Xbox for video (Audio may be another story).

[Call Me Smoothy]

Yea its pretty much like im doing the same thing with my HDTV right now and im thinking about buying a computer desk and making a real gaming station in my room, right now i just have a HDTV on a little gay stand and i use a gaming chair. So im opting to do that and looking into a monitor with 1080p cause i think my LED is just like 720p and ill just put it downstairs so that my roommate can have an HD to play on

[Nikalou]

Yea man i already use that hack..i just wanted to make sure that the monitors take hdmi cause thats all i have to is run the hdmi cable to the monitor right?

yes, also if you want to hook your computer up to the DVI port, the monitor has a switch on it allowing you to select between VGA, DVI, and HDMI.

the monitor also has a digital coax output for those who dont want to do the "hack".

before i sold my xbox that was the setup i used.

on another note, i am very surprised at the quality/price of ASUS monitors, and yes i believe it is about as close as you can get for that price range. (i havent looked at every single monitor on newegg but i've had these for almost a year and i am very satisfied)

[Nevermind]

Most monitors these days will support HDMI, if you check the manufacturers website you can see the specifications, once you know it will work suggest you do some research, I've found that the Benq I was going to purchase has motion blur problems.

that's the Benq E2200HD

Most monitors will not have any audio out options.

[Nevermind]

Yea its pretty much like im doing the same thing with my HDTV right now and im thinking about buying a computer desk and making a real gaming station in my room, right now i just have a HDTV on a little gay stand and i use a gaming chair. So im opting to do that and looking into a monitor with 1080p cause i think my LED is just like 720p and ill just put it downstairs so that my roommate can have an HD to play on

You're on the same track as me :p

i'm currently turning my computer desk into a game station.

Waiting on an Alienware monitor as the two monitors i was looking at have problems, one with motin blurr and the other with xbox, not being able to display 1080p from an xbox.

I'll post pics when done, I researched the alienware monitor for a couple days and found that the only problem is some people where critical of the vibrancy of the monitor for graphics purposes but for gaming (which is what it's made for) it's prefect. There is also some heat problems but if you're room isn't a claustrophobics nightmare I think you'll do fine, when i get mine I'll post a review.

good luck with your project, make sure to report back when done.

[Neomop]

I think I have found a relatively cheap solution to the HDMI/optical issue for the Xbox360 where if you use your own HDMI cable, you cannot fit the component cables into the AV slot for optical.

One of our local stores (NCIX) is selling the Joytech HD AV Cables for $3.99 CDN. They ship throughout Canada, and the US too I believe. It comes with all the inputs for Component, S-Video, Audio(L/R), and it ALSO has a connection for optical. The best thing about that is, is that the optical is detachable from the cable, giving you a possible standalone cable for optical, or if it'll fit, then optical straight from the AV slot. I'm going to pick this up on Tuesday on my way to one of my final exams, then when I am scheduled to get my A40 Audio system, I will try it out and let everyone know how it works out.

[Nevermind]

I think I have found a relatively cheap solution to the HDMI/optical issue for the Xbox360 where if you use your own HDMI cable, you cannot fit the component cables into the AV slot for optical.

One of our local stores (NCIX) is selling the Joytech HD AV Cables for $3.99 CDN. They ship throughout Canada, and the US too I believe. It comes with all the inputs for Component, S-Video, Audio(L/R), and it ALSO has a connection for optical. The best thing about that is, is that the optical is detachable from the cable, giving you a possible standalone cable for optical, or if it'll fit, then optical straight from the AV slot. I'm going to pick this up on Tuesday on my way to one of my final exams, then when I am scheduled to get my A40 Audio system, I will try it out and let everyone know how it works out.

I spent 40 bucks on the microsoft HDMI cable and audio adapter bundle, if you shop around you can pick it up cheap.

[Call Me Smoothy]

You're on the same track as me :p

i'm currently turning my computer desk into a game station.

Waiting on an Alienware monitor as the two monitors i was looking at have problems, one with motin blurr and the other with xbox, not being able to display 1080p from an xbox.

I'll post pics when done, I researched the alienware monitor for a couple days and found that the only problem is some people where critical of the vibrancy of the monitor for graphics purposes but for gaming (which is what it's made for) it's prefect. There is also some heat problems but if you're room isn't a claustrophobics nightmare I think you'll do fine, when i get mine I'll post a review.

good luck with your project, make sure to report back when done.




Yea man i will, About how much do the alienware monitors run?

[i_2_the_rish]

Yea man i will, About how much do the alienware monitors run?

Depends on size, aspect ratio and many other things... Name some specifics

[Nevermind]

Depends on size, aspect ratio and many other things... Name some specifics

i think he means price.

they're $400 Australian delivered, with the perks and quality of the product it's worth it. the premium panel replacement policy, touch screen, display specs and minimal input lag, it's ideal.

[Call Me Smoothy]

Yes i did mean the price...well let me buy my desk and all that stuff first and see what im working with. Ill prolly just get one of those that the person posted from newegg to start, Cause then im buying a Capture card and whatnot so im about to be spending some cash on gaming stuff......

[Ruffowup]

Been looking to buy me a monitor as well and was looking around Newegg.com and found this...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001341

Lemme know what you all think. ;)

[i_2_the_rish]

Been looking to buy me a monitor as well and was looking around Newegg.com and found this...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001341

Lemme know what you all think. ;)

It's a decent monitor. If you want to get it, and I quote: "Decent price for a 23''. 1080p. 2 HDMI inputs with 1 HDMI cable included."

That is just my opinion, I think that you could find a better monitor for the same if not cheaper price...

Hope I helped!

[ninjikiran]

Good thing about competitive gaming monitors is that they are cheap. Personally though I prefer a good S-IPS panel(though more expensive) input lag be damned since I am neither competitive nor am I sensitive to input lag.

My first LCD(I had many CRT's beforehand but they were all flawless imo) was a VX2025wm, I don't know the technology but I never had any problems with it. After that I "upgraded" to a TN based screen but this technology is TERRIBLE if you enjoy even brightness, a screen with no backlight artifacturing(negative photo color), and enjoy a better contrast gradiant. My current screen is S-PVA, which suffers from its own problems, for me I don't notice the colorshifting. For instance mirrors edge is built around solid colors and I didn't notice any color shifting in this game but on a single color background it was obvious. There isn't a dark and light half as there were on my old TN screen. Problem with this screen is loss of shadow detail, meaning details in darker scenes of a game are much more difficult to spot out.

2493HM was my TN screen and my current S-PVA is a 2408WFP.

As far as input lag goes, it doesn't completely stem from response time. Most of it is due to some kind of processing. Hence why some TV's have a "Game Mode" which disables most of it.

[Lonegunman718]

how about the best of both worlds :)

1080p
55"
led lcd
2ms response time
240hz
and little over a inch thick

i give you the Samsung UN55B8000xf

http://www.piratehosting.com/718/IMG_1753.JPG

two shots of my astro's and headset rest :)

http://www.piratehosting.com/718/IMG_1754.JPG

http://www.piratehosting.com/718/IMG_1755.JPG

mods what size should photo's be cause the forum is not resizing them :(

[The]

I have a 22" LG Monitor 1080p, 5 millisecond response, and SOOOOOOOOOOO many inputs, Although I think it's only available in the UK

[Call Me Smoothy]

how about the best of both worlds :)

1080p
55"
led lcd
2ms response time
240hz
and little over a inch thick

i give you the Samsung UN55B8000xf

http://www.piratehosting.com/718/IMG_1753.JPG

two shots of my astro's and headset rest :)

http://www.piratehosting.com/718/IMG_1754.JPG

http://www.piratehosting.com/718/IMG_1755.JPG

mods what size should photo's be cause the forum is not resizing them :(




Does anyone know what theme this is??

[WayTooCrazy]

thanks for the help Nevermind, do you have any idea where i could get a HDMI to DVI? also how does that alienware moniter compare to the latest 22" Syncmaster

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4386851&CatId=2775

Check to make sure your Monitor can accept HDCP over the DVI port, if not... the PS3 won't show any video on your monitor.

[Nevermind]

Check to make sure your Monitor can accept HDCP over the DVI port, if not... the PS3 won't show any video on your monitor.

yep.

sorry if i haven't been helping guys I've been busy and it's only going to get worse. Looking at having one day a week free now.

[Beers]

I was going to get a tv but after reading this I guess I will be getting a monitor instead. I want to buy one this week and wanted to get some ideas from here before I get one. I live in canada been looking on Newegg.ca

Out of these monitors what would you say is the best?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010190020+50001315+131061713&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&Subcategory=20&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=

[LolXCoreZorz]

Beers I suggest you decide what size you want, all of those look great for gaming. Just make sure it's 2ms, 1080p, and has HDMI

[Samurai]

I have the AW 2210 monitor and it's been nothing but perfect, I love it!

[AllTimeMitch]

Beers I suggest you decide what size you want, all of those look great for gaming. Just make sure it's 2ms, 1080p, and has HDMI

And has HDCP Support or else

- Playstation 3 will not work on it
- Xbox 360 Application such as - Zune, Sky Player, Netflix, Last.FM and Halo Waypoint (Sometimes) will not work on it.

- TheHyperVertigo

[ready4war]

LOOK AT THIS ASUS MONITOR!!!!!!!!

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5571783&CatId=12

[SocksWthSandals]

this is the monitor im going to get http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer+-+23%22+Widescreen+Flat-Panel+LCD+Monitor+-+Black/9183224.p?skuId=9183224&ky=1whxm51gbOgORrn6M8JOUlLjDtR0yY7Rx&cmp=RMX&id=1218049006792 or the samsung http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ARSZ0C/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER any suggestions on the 2?

[AllTimeMitch]

this is the monitor im going to get http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer+-+23%22+Widescreen+Flat-Panel+LCD+Monitor+-+Black/9183224.p?skuId=9183224&ky=1whxm51gbOgORrn6M8JOUlLjDtR0yY7Rx&cmp=RMX&id=1218049006792 or the samsung http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ARSZ0C/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER any suggestions on the 2?

Depends, I would go for the Acer because I would need HDMI.

Acer
- 5ms Response Rate
- 40,000:1 contrast ratio
- HDMI (1080p)
- HDCP Support

Samsung
- 2ms Response Rate
- 50,000:1 contrast ratio
- 1 DVI Port (1080p)
- HDCP Support over DVI

My verdict. If you need the HDMI port go for the Acer if not and are using the Xbox 360 VGA Cable then go for the Samsung.

- TheHyperVertigo

[SocksWthSandals]

i think im going with the samsung. its 179 over at tigerdirect. i looked at the acer at bestbuy today and it was just a little too overwhelmingly large. plus the samsung has 2ms response time. im not too worried about hdmi. if i want to play my xbox on the monitor ill just get xbox vga adapter.

[Nevermind]

LOOK AT THIS ASUS MONITOR!!!!!!!!

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5571783&CatId=12

Would go for it man looks good

[Nevermind]

Depends, I would go for the Acer because I would need HDMI.

Acer
- 5ms Response Rate
- 40,000:1 contrast ratio
- HDMI (1080p)
- HDCP Support

Samsung
- 2ms Response Rate
- 50,000:1 contrast ratio
- 1 DVI Port (1080p)
- HDCP Support over DVI

My verdict. If you need the HDMI port go for the Acer if not and are using the Xbox 360 VGA Cable then go for the Samsung.

- TheHyperVertigo
I have to agree the acer looks fine

[SocksWthSandals]

The acer is nice but when I looked at it today at best buy it was a bit large. I know I'm going to love the samsung

[Clicked]

so as many of you have been reading about response times you have gotten all internet crazy looking for a great tv. :mad: Don't worry it's a common misconseption but the response time is the amount of time that it takes black to turn to white also GWG(greywhitegrey). Basically all that really is is kind of like the motion blur. Black to white is just a technical term. It's basically just how fast the colors take to change colors. So the better the response time is the less lag you get.
What you guys are needing to worry about is LAG INPUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
input lag is the amount of time it take your tv to process the picture and actually show up on the screen. Generally the better the tv you buy the more input lag you get. BAD very bad. What a lot of companies have done is put a "game mode" in the tv. This downgrades all the little features the tv has to make sure you're getting less lag. Now any tv with this is ideal. lcd's actually have the worst input lag but with the game mode it's not even noticeable. I did a lot of research on this and found a tv that was very well known for having very little input lag. I am in no way a marking salesperson. I just did a lot of homework. I bought the panasonic 32u22s1 i think is what it is. i actually downgraded from my 37 in vizio to make sure i had a little more edge for my gaming as i have horrible internet and needed something else. LED tv's are very good for gaming as they have a natural refresh rate that is lower. I don't think i made a mistake by buying this tv but it has an 8ms referesh rate which seems horrible. I came to the realization that with a smaller tv you sit closer to it and therefore the motion blur is much more noticeable and gives me a headache. i had a 37 inch visio with 5ms refresh rate and never had this problem. so i suggest if you're going to get a smaller tv then go with a faster ms. i plan on giving this tv to my girlfriend. it's a good tv but i think i'm going to go with an led tv like the lg that has a 2.6 refresh rate and game mode. it also has 120mhz processor that looks great when givin the oportunity to use. Usually only on blu-ray. it's also only an inch thick. hehe. so i hope you guys understand and one more think i forgot to mention is that input lag usually isn't noticeable in game mode but just to help you understand what it looks like you can do many different things to see it. Maybe hit the reload button and watch to see if there's any hesitation on your tv or maybe go to messaging and press x to input a letter and see if there was any delay. i would think that would be the most ideal way of doing it.

[FLaWxLeSs]

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/office/monitors/premium/LS23EFPKFKD/ZA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=features

23" LED samsung moniter with a 5,000,000 MEGA dynamic contrast ratio and 2 ms response time. $300 at best buy.

[Steggy]

Don't buy into gimmicks like dynamic contrast ratio. All you need to know is that it is LED which will give you better image quality than LCD(most of the time anyways), and that that model has a low input lag(while I don't know why the -1 is added to the model, the xl2370 has good input lag)

And the Acer H223H is the better monitor. Its input lag averages 3ms, which is fan****ingtastic. MLG now uses this monitor for its Tekken 6 tournaments.

[SocksWthSandals]

ill take my monitor ftw :)

[AcIdC0R3]

If you aren't watching Blu-ray movies on youre computer I don't see a need for an HDMI monitor. I have a 22"widescreen Acer that has a dvi connection and my picture is awsome. Unless you're running DTS Master Audio and DTS True through HDMI there is no need for one. If you view your computer on your HDTV then you might need a HDMI video card.

Cheers...

[FLaWxLeSs]

Don't buy into gimmicks like dynamic contrast ratio. All you need to know is that it is LED which will give you better image quality than LCD(most of the time anyways), and that that model has a low input lag(while I don't know why the -1 is added to the model, the xl2370 has good input lag)

And the Acer H223H is the better monitor. Its input lag averages 3ms, which is fan****ingtastic. MLG now uses this monitor for its Tekken 6 tournaments.

Acer? I've never really trusted Acer... always merged them with compaq - utter ****.

[FLaWxLeSs]

Looked at the Acer and it has a 5ms response time, no optical out, 2 1.5 watt built in speakers, but its only $200 so I guess thats not bad. I've actually been looking at the Alienware aw2210 but the 21.5" screen might be too small (I'm used to 23"). But it has 2 hdmi ports and 4 usb ports as well as an optical out. BUT its $290.

[SocksWthSandals]

Looked at the Acer and it has a 5ms response time, no optical out, 2 1.5 watt built in speakers, but its only $200 so I guess thats not bad. I've actually been looking at the Alienware aw2210 but the 21.5" screen might be too small (I'm used to 23"). But it has 2 hdmi ports and 4 usb ports as well as an optical out. BUT its $290.

theres a 23 inch acer 5ms response time at best buy for 199. alienware is too expensive for what they offer. i have a 21.5 inch and thats plenty big but thats just my preference. the only need for hdmi is if your monitor has speakers built in like the acer monitor. otherwise dvi works just as good.

[FLaWxLeSs]

Does PS3 support DVI? I might hook up a desktop to it later, but its mainly for my ps3. And alienware does seem a little overpriced.

[AcIdC0R3]

With Alienware, you're just paying for the name. Dell actually owns it, so you would probably be getting a beefed up Dell monitor.

[Alpha I Omega]

With Alienware, you're just paying for the name. Dell actually owns it, so you would probably be getting a beefed up Dell monitor.
lol thats funny, my dad was going to buy me one for grad, and he asked why they were so expensive and i said, "You are paying for the name and the lights on it"...lol i never got the computer after hat for grad...

[AcIdC0R3]

I've had 3 Dell monitors that I bought for a client go out within 6 months. So I don't buy Dell anymore. I've had 1 Alienware that went out within 9 months. It was the first and last Alienware I've ever bought.

Cheers...

[SocksWthSandals]

yea i havent really heard too many positive things about their systems. i wanted an alienware laptop but heard the batteries were just tuuuuuurrable.

[AcIdC0R3]

You have to realize that the Alienware laptops are built for performance so the battery life will be short. They use the very newest performance parts when they build one. Unless you're going to do all your PC gaming or using CAD or 4D software like Bryce on it, that it's not worth it. I have heard on more than one occasion of the keyboards going out on them. Incidentally, you can build a monster desktop PC for 1/3 to 1/2 the price. I can see where it would be more for a college individual than a home bound person because the college person would need a full blown computer and having a desktop PC is not always a friendly choice for a dorm room where parties and numerous people will be visiting all the time.

Cheers...

[Steggy]

Acer? I've never really trusted Acer... always merged them with compaq - utter ****.

They used to be that sort of "Sams Club" brand, literally, but throughout the past few years, Acer has risen to be the 2nd largest computer manufacturer, 2nd only to HP.


Looked at the Acer and it has a 5ms response time, no optical out, 2 1.5 watt built in speakers, but its only $200 so I guess thats not bad. I've actually been looking at the Alienware aw2210 but the 21.5" screen might be too small (I'm used to 23"). But it has 2 hdmi ports and 4 usb ports as well as an optical out. BUT its $290.

Comparing it to other monitors

-Most monitors are 5ms. They'll advertise 2ms, but then you can read in the fine print that its GTG response time, which is pretty much the same thing as 5ms BTWTB.

-The only monitor I've seen with an optical out is the XL2370 from Samsung, but with that, you don't have any speakers built in. Optical ports aren't the norm with monitors.


And to someone saying you should only have HDMI in yout monitor if you're watching blu rays...really? It's not like HDMI in a monitor is an upgrade or anything, it's pretty baseline. You can use the HDMI for numerous stuff. You could plug in a cable box to your monitor via HDMI, you could plug in an upconverting DVD player, a blu ray player, your xbox, ps3, etc. Right now I have my desktop connected to my vx2260wm via DVI, my laptop connected via VGA, and my 360 connected via HDMI. And the monitor was 200 flat.

[AcIdC0R3]

Don't let the hype of small 22" monitors being the best overall fool you. First let me start of by saying that one of my good friends is an HDTV tech for one of the large corporations, Samsung, LG, Sony and wishes to remain anonymous as to not catch grief from the big shots of the corporation he works for if they head this story. He actually consulted on some of the information pertained in this comparison and the low-down on the concept behind LCD TV's. It used to be that Plasma was all around the best HDTV you could purchase but now that LED LCD HDTV's have hit the mainstream market they have been the driven dominant player in the field. He went on to say right now there are two different HDTV's that are the best of the best for the average consumer retailer. They are the LG 47LE8500 Infinia Full HD 47-Inch 1080p 240Hz LED LCD TV and the Samsung UN46B8500 46-Inch 1080p 240 Hz LED HDTV. He said take your pick as you can't go wrong from purchasing either one. Here is a side by side comparison of the two.

http://www.imgcandy.com/images/55154110530616502160.jpg (http://www.imgcandy.com/)

1. An LED TV is not a new kind of TV.

I appreciate a good marketing ploy as much as the next guy, but an LED TV is just an LCD TV that's backlit with light-emitting diodes (LEDs) instead of standard cold-cathode fluorescent lights (or CCFLs). And while they've become best-known this year with Samsung's ultrathin models, LED-backlit LCDs have been on mainstream store shelves since 2007, when Samsung's LN-T4681F debuted.

Unlike plasma and OLED, which are emissive technologies where each pixel is its own discrete light source, LCD is a transmissive technology where each pixel has to be illuminated from behind, or backlit.

2.There are two types of LED backlighting.

Initially, LED-based displays like the Samung LN-T4681F were backlit by what's referred to as a "full array" of LEDs behind the LCD across the back of the panel. But to create superthin TVs, engineers needed to eliminate that extra layer of LEDs and move it to the sides of the display. With this form of backlighting, the LEDs are affixed to all four sides of the TV and light is projected inward to the middle of the TV via "lightguides." These types of TVs are commonly referred to as "edge-lit" LED-based LCDs.

Samsung is the main maker of such sets this year with three series of edge-lit sets, although Sony did release one model earlier this year, the KDL-40ZX1M, and has another flagship series, the KDL-XBR10 models, waiting in the wings. Samsung, Sony, Sharp Toshiba, LG, and Vizio all have non-edge-lit, or "full array" models, available today. See our comparison of edge-lit vs. local dimming for more info.

3. Of the two, local dimming can produce deeper black levels, but also creates "blooming."

Local dimming LED backlights can dim or turn off individually as needed.

The type of backlighting can impact how deep a shade of black a TV can produce. All current LED-based LCDs with rear-placed, "full-array" LED backlighting--except the Sharp LC-LE700UN series--feature a technology called "local dimming." With local dimming, specific areas of the backlight can be dimmed or brightened when different areas of the picture get darker or brighter.

With fluorescent backlighting and edge-lit LED backlighting, by contrast, the entire backlight dims or brightens at once, if at all.

Being able to dim specific quadrants helps reduce the amount of light that leaks through to darkened pixels, and the end result is blacks that appear darker and more realistic. Since black levels are crucial to contrast ratio, the deeper the blacks, the more the picture--and colors--appear to pop. Also, the image as a whole will seem crisper. A great example of local dimming done right is Samsung's UNB8500 series, which is one of the best-performing TVs we've ever tested.

One downside to local dimming is an effect called "blooming," where brighter areas bleed into darker ones and lighten adjacent black levels. This effect varies widely from model to model; it's pretty noticeable on the Toshiba 46SV670U, for example, and much more difficult to notice on the Samsung 8500. Incidence of blooming is directly related to how many local dimming LED elements ("dimmable zones") are behind the screen, but some manufacturers won't divulge that information. Blooming isn't an issue on other kinds of displays, including edge-lit models.

4. Edge-lit TVs are really thin, but uniformity suffers.

As I said, the key benefit to an edge-lit LED backlighting scheme is that manufacturers can make thinner TVs. However, the downside is that the backlighting isn't quite as uniform. With edge-lit displays, if you put a white image up, you may notice that the outer edges of the screen appear brighter or "hotter." Also, when you put up an all-black image, the edges of the screen will appear lighter (grayer).

5. LED backlighting of either variety doesn't improve LCD's poor off-angle viewing.

One of the big downsides to LCD TVs is that the picture degrades if you're sitting off to the side or the TV is placed too high or low, based on your eye level. LED backlighting doesn't change any of this and, in some cases, may actually make things worse.

The Samsung 8500, for example, currently offers the best black levels of any LCD we've seen--so long as you're sitting in the sweet spot, with the middle of the screen between your eyes. But move a few feet to the left or right and you'll notice that the picture doesn't look as good. Why is this so apparent? Well, the problem is that you're starting with such a good picture, you're more apt to notice the difference when you move to the side or stand up and look down at the TV. With a TV picture that doesn't look as good to begin with, the difference doesn't look as stark when you move off axis. Make sense?

6. LED backlighting is even more efficient than standard fluorescent backlighting.

It's definitely true that LED backlighting can cut down on power use, and some LED-backlit LCDs are, inch for inch, the most efficient flat panels available. Samsung's LED-based, 46-inch UN46B6000, for example, costs just $18.73 per year to run (after calibration to equalize light output).

On the flip side, standard fluorescent backlighting is getting more efficient itself. To make a comparison, Samsung's same-size CCFL-based LN46B650 costs $25.96 per year. That's about 28 percent more than its LED brother--but the overall numbers are so low to begin with, we're talking about less than $8 total annually. In other words, it's not really enough to affect anyone's purchasing decision between CCFL and LED flavors of LCD TVs.

On the other hand, it's also worth noting that LCD TVs of both varieties continue to be significantly more energy efficient than plasma TVs. For example, Panasonic's 46-inch TC-P46G10 costs $60.69 per year after calibration, making the LED model more than three times as efficient. Check out our TV power consumption guide for more info.

7. LED backlighting will get better--but how much better is debatable.

While it's true that manufacturers' backlighting schemes will continue to improve with time, we've heard from industry insiders that the real advancements will be in edge-lit technology. With consumers seemingly smitten with super-thin TVs, engineers are trying improve edge-lit backlighting to the point where it equals or even surpasses full-array LED backlighting.

One of the issues with full-array backlighting (that features local dimming) is that to truly perfect it would require 2.1 million LEDs to individually light 2.1 million pixels (in a 1080p TV). Adding that many LEDs simply isn't cost efficient, and sources tell us that for the foreseeable future, engineers have maxed out the number of LEDs they can add to a panel without making the end product prohibitively expensive.

8. LED=higher price tag.

While we're on the topic of expensive, as you're probably aware, LED-powered LCD TVs cost more than non-LED models. On average, an "LED TV" costs at least $400 more than its non-LED counterpart. And top of the line models will run up to $2,000 more, depending on screen size (example: Samsung's 46-inch 8500 costs $3,500, while the non-LED LN46B750 costs around $1,700).

While many of these high-end sets are certainly excellent performers and slick to look at, the premium you pay for them usually doesn't measure up to how much better they perform on a percentage basis. In other words, a TV may cost 25 percent more but only have a picture that's 10 percent better.

Eventually, of course, as LED backlighting becomes a more universal feature, you won't have to pay the same premium as you do now.

9. Top-of-the-line LED TVs deliver as good a picture as plasma TVs--with one caveat.

LCD TVs have long been knocked for not producing the deep blacks of plasma TVs. Well, with the introduction of LED backlighting, blacks on high-end LCD TVs can go toe-to-toe with the blacks on some of the best plasmas and the picture is outstanding. Also, as noted, LED-backlit LCD TVs are more energy efficient than plasmas and weigh less. But off-angle viewing on LCDs remains a sticking point. With plasma, by comparison, you can sit to the side of the TV and the picture won't degrade.

10. If you don't have your picture settings correct, LED or non-LED won't make a difference.

You can have the best LCD TV in the world with the latest and greatest technology, but if it's not set up correctly, it can look pretty run of the mill. Luckily, with every TV David Katzmaier reviews here at CNET, he posts his optimal settings in the HDTV picture settings forum.

[SocksWthSandals]

interesting

[Steggy]

Interesting to read the back story of LED, but basically what you're describing is that LED is best for picture. Yes, right now, the technology to be at is LED for its low power consumption great picture/colors and slim profile, but at the moment it doesn't justify the price. Plasma's technology has risen quite a bit in the past few years resolving its past stigmas if you will, and the prices are great. Simply put for movie/tv watching LCD's can't hold a candle to plasma. But now LED has come into the picture to kind of give some real competition. But like I said, I personally wouldn't pay 3500 for a 46 inch LED when I can spend 1300 on a 50 inch plasma.

But what is great about the 22 inch monitors are their performance in gaming. It's not JUST 22", but generally speaking, montors in that size have lower input lag ratings than 24/26" monitors, though there are some really great monitors in that range too. I mean, plasma's can have pretty low input lag if you're playing its native resolution in your games, but comparing the input lag of a 32+ inch tv vs. a ~22" monitor there won't be a contest. But it goes for LCD and LED monitors, check out the XL2370, LED monitor, 23", pretty good input lag rating from Digital Versus.

[AcIdC0R3]

Interesting to read the back story of LED, but basically what you're describing is that LED is best for picture. Yes, right now, the technology to be at is LED for its low power consumption great picture/colors and slim profile, but at the moment it doesn't justify the price. Plasma's technology has risen quite a bit in the past few years resolving its past stigmas if you will, and the prices are great. Simply put for movie/tv watching LCD's can't hold a candle to plasma. But now LED has come into the picture to kind of give some real competition. But like I said, I personally wouldn't pay 3500 for a 46 inch LED when I can spend 1300 on a 50 inch plasma.

But what is great about the 22 inch monitors are their performance in gaming. It's not JUST 22", but generally speaking, montors in that size have lower input lag ratings than 24/26" monitors, though there are some really great monitors in that range too. I mean, plasma's can have pretty low input lag if you're playing its native resolution in your games, but comparing the input lag of a 32+ inch tv vs. a ~22" monitor there won't be a contest. But it goes for LCD and LED monitors, check out the XL2370, LED monitor, 23", pretty good input lag rating from Digital Versus.

Yes LED is slim, low power but that was not the focus of my post. Because True Motion is right around the corner, the LED stand as the best you can buy at the moment, even over the new plasmas as well as the smaller LCD (like the 22" models you are referring to) hitting the consumer market. My friend stated that according to the standards, plasma is going to fall by the way side within the next 5 years. It is still one of the best picture performers but because plasma has a short shelf life and it's high price tag it will never become the defacto. The technology is just not there for the plasmas. LED's and I don't mean the TV's but the Light Emitting Diodes (hence LED) are becoming smaller and smaller very quickly. The technology has barely been scratched. The possibilities for it are for what used to be science fiction will soon to become reality. OLED has already got their foot into the door on screens that are as thin as a credit card. LED has also partnered with fiber optics of the sort allowing for screens as thin as a piece of paper. This is still further off but can be expected sometime within the next 6 to 7 years. Because the new LED LCD HDTV's with 240hz refresh rates and 640hz True Motion already expected within a few months from now that you are no longer limited to smaller screens. The input lag is done away with (hence True Motion). Yes, the prices of the big screen LED's are expensive so some might be inclined to seek out LED TV's/Monitors of smaller size but they will be of equal stature as their big brothers because that is how LED works. This is exactly why LED LCD HDTV's were created for. So the consumer is not limited to smaller screens with better numbers than their big brothers. It is all becoming an equal playing field. LED HDTV's is still very new with a moderate price tag. $2400 for a 46" screen. You can expect those prices to fall very quickly when they realize that they can be developed for very little money and the mass majority of the consumer public will be able to afford one. The LCD's are actually more expensive to make because of the CCL (cold cathode lighting) or florescent, whichever you wish to call it. LED or (Light Emitting Diodes) are a whole lot less to manufacture. If you do plan to purchase a smaller type TV/Monitor, might I suggest an LED type rather that a straight LCD. They tend to have more customization as well rather than the LCD's. Just so you understand, by purchasing a large screen LED doesn't mean you will suffer response time, in fact it will most likely be that same as it's little brother. Yes, people LED is the new kid on the block and you can expect them to stick around for quiet a while.

[XxiFeltxX]

So lately ive been wanting to buy a new tv/monitor. Do you guys have any recommendations?

[AcIdC0R3]

Yes, LED HDTV or 3D LED HDTV. The only thing about a 3D TV is that if you want to watch a 3D movie you will have to buy the liquid crystal 3D glasses that are sold as an accessory to the TV. You will have to buy a Blu-Ray player that supports 3D technology and you will have to buy a 3D Blu-Ray movie of course. They are about $400 to $500 more than a standard LED HDTV. I think Alpha bought one and said it wasn't really worth it. I mean, if you have that much money to throw down on all that gear then I say go for it, otherwise stick with a standard LED HDTV. As for the size, well.. that's completely up to you. There are some people on here that believe that you will get the best response time with a no lag picture buy sticking with a smaller screen like 22" or 23". Now since LED HDTV's have hit the market you are no longer bound to small screens. They have 120Hz, 240Hz and 480Hz true motion. So you no longer have the lag if you decide to buy a large screen LED TV. Hope this helps.

Cheers...

[Alpha I Omega]

3d tech is garbage, it doesn't work in the theaters and even more so at home...
at theaters its a bad experience, at home it doesn't even work...
Go down to best buy and find out for yourself, they have a 3d set up.

Im going to back up my point with this:
I have seen Avatar on Blu Ray, 3D theater, and Regular Theater. and I have also seen Monster vs Aliens on a LED LCD in 3d at best buy.
I own a 47" LED LCD TV from Samsung.
here is the order that looks best:
1.Avatar Blu Ray
2.Avatar Theater
3.Avatar 3D Theater
4.Monsters Vs. Aliens
Dont waste your money on 3d tech until it either fades away like the fad it is or wait until the tech is better.
3D is a novelty. Nobody needs it...

Also there are little to no Channels broadcasting in 3D nor are there Blu Rays with 3D.
To actually see 3D at home, you need a 3D TV, a 3D Blu Ray player and 3D glasses.

[SocksWthSandals]

yea seriously, 3d is a waste of money... remember they already tried this in the 60s and it failed then, it will fail again....

"those who forget the past are bound to repeat it".... said some guy i forgot whom

[Alpha I Omega]

I Went to a 3D movie in the 90s and it was amazing, things actually popped out...it was cool but it was really blurry :(

[SocksWthSandals]

So lately ive been wanting to buy a new tv/monitor. Do you guys have any recommendations?

getting back on track here

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5759562&CatId=2775

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4531732&CatId=2775

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5522913&CatId=2775

or, here are the 2 monitors mlg is using for 2010. they are pretty sweet. i might pick one up

http://www.viewsonic.com/products/lcd-tvs/nx2232w.htm

http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktop-monitors/lcd/x-series/vx2262wm.htm

[Alpha I Omega]

But will they blend?

[SocksWthSandals]

But will they blend?

wtf are you talking about haha

[Alpha I Omega]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko&feature=player_embedded

ENJOY!
gadget techies beware....

heres another good one
light stick smoothie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l69Vi5IDc0g&feature=channel)

[XxiFeltxX]

Thanks yall....i'll try to post pics within 2 weeks of my new set up.

[AcIdC0R3]

In about 3 to 4 weeks I'm picking THIS (http://www.lg.com/us/tv-audio-video/televisions/LG-led-tv-INFINIA-47LE8500.jsp) one up for $2000 Very, very tiiite. Can't wait to hang that on my wall.

[XxiFeltxX]

Thats a nice tv.. a lil to expensive for me though. The most I would spend on a tv is $800; than again im not one those videophile types so yea...just need one for casual gaming and watching tv...what about this one http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN40C630-40-Inch-1080p-Black/dp/B0036WT3P2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1277697808&sr=1-1

[AcIdC0R3]

Yeah, that's a nice TV.

[Steggy]

Yes LED is slim, low power but that was not the focus of my post. Because True Motion is right around the corner, the LED stand as the best you can buy at the moment, even over the new plasmas as well as the smaller LCD (like the 22" models you are referring to) hitting the consumer market. My friend stated that according to the standards, plasma is going to fall by the way side within the next 5 years. It is still one of the best picture performers but because plasma has a short shelf life and it's high price tag it will never become the defacto. The technology is just not there for the plasmas. LED's and I don't mean the TV's but the Light Emitting Diodes (hence LED) are becoming smaller and smaller very quickly. The technology has barely been scratched. The possibilities for it are for what used to be science fiction will soon to become reality. OLED has already got their foot into the door on screens that are as thin as a credit card. LED has also partnered with fiber optics of the sort allowing for screens as thin as a piece of paper. This is still further off but can be expected sometime within the next 6 to 7 years. Because the new LED LCD HDTV's with 240hz refresh rates and 640hz True Motion already expected within a few months from now that you are no longer limited to smaller screens. The input lag is done away with (hence True Motion). Yes, the prices of the big screen LED's are expensive so some might be inclined to seek out LED TV's/Monitors of smaller size but they will be of equal stature as their big brothers because that is how LED works. This is exactly why LED LCD HDTV's were created for. So the consumer is not limited to smaller screens with better numbers than their big brothers. It is all becoming an equal playing field. LED HDTV's is still very new with a moderate price tag. $2400 for a 46" screen. You can expect those prices to fall very quickly when they realize that they can be developed for very little money and the mass majority of the consumer public will be able to afford one. The LCD's are actually more expensive to make because of the CCL (cold cathode lighting) or florescent, whichever you wish to call it. LED or (Light Emitting Diodes) are a whole lot less to manufacture. If you do plan to purchase a smaller type TV/Monitor, might I suggest an LED type rather that a straight LCD. They tend to have more customization as well rather than the LCD's. Just so you understand, by purchasing a large screen LED doesn't mean you will suffer response time, in fact it will most likely be that same as it's little brother. Yes, people LED is the new kid on the block and you can expect them to stick around for quiet a while.
Plasmas last just as long as LCD TV's do now and their prices can get very low. I've seen 42" plasmas go for ~500 dollars, though they are 720P, I'm just sayin. I'm not arguing that LED's aren't great TV's, they are really nice, but are they worth the price? not really. Like you said, in due time the prices will plummet, that's when the LED's will be a good buy, when the performance meets the price. Right now you can get a 600hz 1080p Panasonic plasma for ~1300, or you can get a 46" 1080p LED for 2400. Nearly twice the price for differences that don't warrant it.

And True Motion or whatever you call it doesn't necessarily mean no input lag. If it's just talking about the Hz then it's just going to basically be the response times of the monitors/tv's.


And Socks, the 2 MLG Tv's you listed are pretty so-so, you'd be better off getting either an Acer H233H, Viewsonic VX2260WM, Samsung XL2370, or an Asus VH226H

[Alpha I Omega]

...or you can get a 46" 1080p LED for 2400. Nearly twice the price for differences that don't warrant it.
...

hahaha i got my 46" LED for 1k, i wouldn't pay more than 1.5 for ANY TV...

[AcIdC0R3]

Plasmas last just as long as LCD TV's do now and their prices can get very low. I've seen 42" plasmas go for ~500 dollars, though they are 720P, I'm just sayin. I'm not arguing that LED's aren't great TV's, they are really nice, but are they worth the price? not really. Like you said, in due time the prices will plummet, that's when the LED's will be a good buy, when the performance meets the price. Right now you can get a 600hz 1080p Panasonic plasma for ~1300, or you can get a 46" 1080p LED for 2400. Nearly twice the price for differences that don't warrant it.

And True Motion or whatever you call it doesn't necessarily mean no input lag. If it's just talking about the Hz then it's just going to basically be the response times of the monitors/tv's.


And Socks, the 2 MLG Tv's you listed are pretty so-so, you'd be better off getting either an Acer H233H, Viewsonic VX2260WM, Samsung XL2370, or an Asus VH226H

The prices will drop, but I'm not waiting that long. haha
A TV is TV. If you do your research people, then I'm sure you'll get what you like. Just don't let some third rate, minimum wage Best Buy salesman tell you that Plasma is the ONLY way to go and Monster Cable is the ONLY cable you should buy. The internet is full of resources, so don't let this forum be your last stop before going out to buy your next TV.
Nuff said...

Cheers...

[SocksWthSandals]

And Socks, the 2 MLG Tv's you listed are pretty so-so, you'd be better off getting either an Acer H233H, Viewsonic VX2260WM, Samsung XL2370, or an Asus VH226H

yea, the ratio quality are pretty lame, but i just figured maybe hed want the same style and brand they use

[Alpha I Omega]

Why would you use a monitor just because the MLG uses it?
what a waste of money.
I know for a 100% fact that no one can tell the difference between an 8ms lag and a 4 ms lag...so why does it matter?
the lag times are just a way for people to bitch about why they died...just another excuse.

[Steggy]

The prices will drop, but I'm not waiting that long. haha
A TV is TV. If you do your research people, then I'm sure you'll get what you like. Just don't let some third rate, minimum wage Best Buy salesman tell you that Plasma is the ONLY way to go and Monster Cable is the ONLY cable you should buy. The internet is full of resources, so don't let this forum be your last stop before going out to buy your next TV.
Nuff said...

Cheers...

Well you fall into the demographic that will overpay for the latest technology. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, every technology has its ups and downs, but your views on plasma are kind of warped IMO. In any case, the best thing to do to get your money's worth with any TV would be checking out avsforum for some experts' suggestions on models to go for for each technology.

And Alpha, a monitor like the NX2232W has more than 8ms of lag, pretty much anything over 16ms can be noticeable, though it will always vary person to person. And it's not the audio quality that sucks about those 2 tv's you posted, I mean, you can always upgrade with a nice set of speakers. But if you're looking for an MLG TV that performs really well, go with the Acer, it performs very well.

[AcIdC0R3]

Well you fall into the demographic that will overpay for the latest technology. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, every technology has its ups and downs, but your views on plasma are kind of warped IMO. In any case, the best thing to do to get your money's worth with any TV would be checking out avsforum for some experts' suggestions on models to go for for each technology.

And Alpha, a monitor like the NX2232W has more than 8ms of lag, pretty much anything over 16ms can be noticeable, though it will always vary person to person. And it's not the audio quality that sucks about those 2 tv's you posted, I mean, you can always upgrade with a nice set of speakers. But if you're looking for an MLG TV that performs really well, go with the Acer, it performs very well.

Why are my views warped. Because I know quiet a bit about TV's . I'm sure I know more than you do about TV's. Plasmas are nice for watching movies, TV, playing games, but they are known for burn in. Not as bad now but they still are. Also the shelf life of a Plasma TV is only around 60,000 hours. A TV should last you anywhere from 10 to 14 years and Plasmas do NOT fall into that category. Here is a quick run down of what should be performed on Plasmas...
_keep it in a well ventilated area

- do not leave static images on the screen for longer than 8-10 minutes

- avoid watching in very brightly lit rooms; in other words, plasma TVs perform better in normal lit and dimly lit areas

- make sure the unit is turned off when you are not using it

I cannot say the same for LCD or LED TV's.

Sure you could buy a 720p Plasma at a relatively low price. But is it worth it. IMO no. Plain and simple... NO. I have a friend that works in the technology and we grew up together taking TV's apart and putting them back together, learning what they do and how they do it. Because we liked it so much he went into that field when he grew up.

What really gets me stoked is when you guys that do all these reviews and whatnot come on here preaching you know more than God himself about this or that. I'm sorry, but you seem a little young and a little inexperienced when it comes to the knowledge of TV's. I was trying not to have to say this but you kept pushing the subject and the howdy duty know it all about TV's until somebody who knows a whole lot more than you do about the subject comes along. If you're going to give reviews on a subject do your homework first and then do your review. Sorry I had to walk all over you like this but the people on this forum need to know that they have a choice and the information is out there for them. Your knowledge about TV's is a little outdated. :o

Cheers...

[ASTRO Warblade]

I'm actually a big fan of plasma TVs mainly for the better contrast ratio you get with them, and the pricing.

Also, a "shelf-life" of 60,000 hours is still pretty significant (while most Plasma TV makers also tout a 100,000 hours too). If you had it on 24/7, that still equals out to almost 7 years. Being that the average american watches about 4 hours of TV a day, that means it would last 41 years. =P Even if you watched 8 hours of TV it's 20 years.

What's the most interesting, is that it's not really a 'shelf-life" that they're stating either as a company. It's how long until it's at about half the brightness. Sure, you can get things like burn-in or other things before the end of 100,000 hours range, but the actual gases that make the colors and brightness work are rated to run atleast that long.

[AcIdC0R3]

Actually we are both wrong in that respect. Of course I should have called my buddy first. I guess that's why I don't give reviews. My friend quoted me this...
The average lifespan of a Plasma television is 30,000 hours. That's about 3.5 years of 24/7 usage! If watching TV was your full-time job, and you did it for 8 hours a day, it would take you more than a decade to wear out your plasma display.

[Steggy]

Why are my views warped. Because I know quiet a bit about TV's . I'm sure I know more than you do about TV's. Plasmas are nice for watching movies, TV, playing games, but they are known for burn in. Not as bad now but they still are. Also the shelf life of a Plasma TV is only around 60,000 hours. A TV should last you anywhere from 10 to 14 years and Plasmas do NOT fall into that category. Here is a quick run down of what should be performed on Plasmas...
_keep it in a well ventilated area

- do not leave static images on the screen for longer than 8-10 minutes

- avoid watching in very brightly lit rooms; in other words, plasma TVs perform better in normal lit and dimly lit areas

- make sure the unit is turned off when you are not using it

I cannot say the same for LCD or LED TV's.

Sure you could buy a 720p Plasma at a relatively low price. But is it worth it. IMO no. Plain and simple... NO. I have a friend that works in the technology and we grew up together taking TV's apart and putting them back together, learning what they do and how they do it. Because we liked it so much he went into that field when he grew up.

What really gets me stoked is when you guys that do all these reviews and whatnot come on here preaching you know more than God himself about this or that. I'm sorry, but you seem a little young and a little inexperienced when it comes to the knowledge of TV's. I was trying not to have to say this but you kept pushing the subject and the howdy duty know it all about TV's until somebody who knows a whole lot more than you do about the subject comes along. If you're going to give reviews on a subject do your homework first and then do your review. Sorry I had to walk all over you like this but the people on this forum need to know that they have a choice and the information is out there for them. Your knowledge about TV's is a little outdated. :o

Cheers...
I'm saying your knowledge of plasma's is outdated because you are naming dated problems plasma's have had. I don't call your experience with TV's into question like you have been trying to do with me, though your friend seems to be doing most of the talking for you. More current plasmas have tested at even 100,000 hours, which is a considerable amount, but even with your figures, the average LCD lasts about 7 years if you leave it on 24/7(figure reached from manufacturers' given panel lifes), so they seem to be on par with each other, no? I don't get how posting information makes me seem arrogant, I've done my homework on TV's quite a bit, and don't say things just to say them. The faults you are finding with plasmas are dated ones, that's all I'm saying, and all I've said in the beginning was that I personally think LED's are overpriced right now, and you seem to agree that they are highly priced, but you said it yourself you don't want to wait long enough for the prices to drop, but now you seem to be on a rampage against plasmas for no particular reason.

[AcIdC0R3]

I'm saying your knowledge of plasma's is outdated because you are naming dated problems plasma's have had. I don't call your experience with TV's into question like you have been trying to do with me, though your friend seems to be doing most of the talking for you. More current plasmas have tested at even 100,000 hours, which is a considerable amount, but even with your figures, the average LCD lasts about 7 years if you leave it on 24/7(figure reached from manufacturers' given panel lifes), so they seem to be on par with each other, no? I don't get how posting information makes me seem arrogant, I've done my homework on TV's quite a bit, and don't say things just to say them. The faults you are finding with plasmas are dated ones, that's all I'm saying, and all I've said in the beginning was that I personally think LED's are overpriced right now, and you seem to agree that they are highly priced, but you said it yourself you don't want to wait long enough for the prices to drop, but now you seem to be on a rampage against plasmas for no particular reason.

We have seemed to reach a misunderstanding. All I'm saying is don't let size, price or anything else stop you in ones understanding of television. If a group of people wish to pay more money for a large screen (this is where we first started) than say a 22" screen don't let common words of one forum mislead you. As for my friend, yes he knows quiet a bit more than I do as he is one of the people that took part in the design of the LED technology for televisions. If I don't know the answer to a question about a television I go to him because he will know without a doubt. Steggy don't fool these people into thinking that a small screen is the only way to go. A lot of young people without any knowledge of TV's come on here looking for answers. Give them the option to go out and choose for themselves. nuff said...

EDIT: Anybody that wants a little knowledge in LED vs Plasma televisions, my friend recommends you read THIS (http://led-tvbuyingguide.com/led-vs-plasma.html) site to become better acquainted with the technology.

[Steggy]

We have seemed to reach a misunderstanding. All I'm saying is don't let size, price or anything else stop you in ones understanding of television. If a group of people wish to pay more money for a large screen (this is where we first started) than say a 22" screen don't let common words of one forum mislead you. As for my friend, yes he knows quiet a bit more than I do as he is one of the people that took part in the design of the LED technology for televisions. If I don't know the answer to a question about a television I go to him because he will know without a doubt. Steggy don't fool these people into thinking that a small screen is the only way to go. A lot of young people without any knowledge of TV's come on here looking for answers. Give them the option to go out and choose for themselves. nuff said...

EDIT: Anybody that wants a little knowledge in LED vs Plasma televisions, my friend recommends you read THIS (http://led-tvbuyingguide.com/led-vs-plasma.html) site to become better acquainted with the technology.
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about now. I'm not trying to fool anyone. You haven't really been able to rebut any of my arguments, and even that link you just posted is proving me right. I was mentioning size earlier because in GAMING, displays in the 22" range perform better in respect to input lag. LCD/LED, they all have input lags, and monitors in that size range usually clock in at low numbers which is what you want when gaming. There are of course other displays you could look at when looking for something for TV/movie watching, but this is a predominantly gaming oriented website.

[Alpha I Omega]

And Alpha, a monitor like the NX2232W has more than 8ms of lag, pretty much anything over 16ms can be noticeable, though it will always vary person to person. And it's not the audio quality that sucks about those 2 tv's you posted, I mean, you can always upgrade with a nice set of speakers. But if you're looking for an MLG TV that performs really well, go with the Acer, it performs very well.

saying you can notice a 8ms lag is saying you can see **** slo mo...sorry dude it doesnt work that way...if it were a 100ms lag or something yeah sure...but not a 1-16ms lag...get real

[AcIdC0R3]

Steggy, we seemed to have gotten off on the wrong foot here. When I first posted to this thread it was to inform people that their options wasn't to be limited to just small screen monitors or TV's. That was my intention. I also gave people the information that you failed to give them. My intentions were not to rebut anything you had to say except to also inform people that displays are not limited to perform better at smaller sizes now that LED TV's have entered the game. The newer large screen LED's don't suffer input lag just like the smaller monitors. So now yes, I am rebutting your statement. Don't just give people partial information, give them all the information. Your diagnoses so to speak are one sided. But you know what, it's a debate between me and you. We could go on and on with this. I'm tired of battling it out with you on here. So you go on and give them your one sided information. I'll not post to YOUR thread again. That was my mistake in the first place. If I need to, I'll make my own thread and give the people all the information that they deserve and then people can make up their own mind of what kind or display to buy.

...C'est la vie :)

[Steggy]

Steggy, we seemed to have gotten off on the wrong foot here. When I first posted to this thread it was to inform people that their options wasn't to be limited to just small screen monitors or TV's. That was my intention. I also gave people the information that you failed to give them. My intentions were not to rebut anything you had to say except to also inform people that displays are not limited to perform better at smaller sizes now that LED TV's have entered the game. The newer large screen LED's don't suffer input lag just like the smaller monitors. So now yes, I am rebutting your statement. Don't just give people partial information, give them all the information. Your diagnoses so to speak are one sided. But you know what, it's a debate between me and you. We could go on and on with this. I'm tired of battling it out with you on here. So you go on and give them your one sided information. I'll not post to YOUR thread again. That was my mistake in the first place. If I need to, I'll make my own thread and give the people all the information that they deserve and then people can make up their own mind of what kind or display to buy.

...C'est la vie :)

I would appreciate if you would link to somewhere that states that LED TV's won't have input lag, because from the tests of LED displays I've seen so far on Digital Versus, they have input lag like the rest of the displays out there. That is my source for stating that LED's have input lag, Digital Versus, a site where they run diagnostic tests on all sorts of displays including input lag readings. I'd like to know your source for LED's not suffering input lag.

Also, this isn't my thread, I don't know why you think that. This is my thread.

http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=207406

[Byronfest]

Here. (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/howtoguide/supportHowToGuidePopup.do?howto_guide_seq=3064&prd_ia_cd=02010100&map_seq=15170&regDt=2009-11-25%2021:40:04.0&page_gb=D&model_name=LN40C650L1F&type_ia_cd=02010000&subtype_ia_cd=02010100&row_index=6) I only know this because I have a series 8 LED by samsung and read up quite alot about input lag etc.

[StntnCase]

I would appreciate if you would link to somewhere that states that LED TV's won't have input lag, because from the tests of LED displays I've seen so far on Digital Versus, they have input lag like the rest of the displays out there. That is my source for stating that LED's have input lag, Digital Versus, a site where they run diagnostic tests on all sorts of displays including input lag readings. I'd like to know your source for LED's not suffering input lag.

Also, this isn't my thread, I don't know why you think that. This is my thread.

http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=207406

It took me a little bit to navigate to the right place on this website. Mind you this is my first forum to ever join.
It seems a friend of mine has gotten into a little bit of a jam concerning flat panel television technology. He is brilliant when it comes to networking technology. I could never even dream of equaling him in that field. When it comes to pdp, lcd, led, dlp, oled, crt and the new lpd (laser phosphor display) that's my field of work. Just by reading this webpage alone I have interpreted that this heated discussion is over input lag. Let me first ask you Mr Steggy, what are your qualifications? I have a Phd and a masters degree in Applied Sciences in Broudcasting / Telecommunications class 6 engineer. If you are more qualified than I then by all means I'll step aside and let you have the floor. Until then I'm going to explain to you, my friend and everyone else in this community what you should know about input lag. Any monitor / display / television that is two years old or newer you don't have to worry over input lag. This is a common misconception that gamers tend to talk about and discuss when they wish to look macho in front of their friends. As for that website Digital Versus, I don't know any thing about them but after performing a search on them I came across two other websites that discredit them. That really doesn't say anything either as one one of those sites was discredited by another. The companies that discuss input lag fail to tell you that you most likely will not notice it unless you're watching high speed motorsports or tennis and the like. If you are so concerned about input lag then why not go out there, enter the field that I'm in and come up with technology that will completely eliminate it. As far as my associates an I have seen, it is only gamers that concern themselves with it and it's really not necessary.
Unless you have something concrete to substantiate your claims then I would keep your comments to yourself.
As for my friend, you kind of ticked him off a little so he won't have anything to do with you now. That's just how he is. He isn't always the best at explaining televisions but from just what he explained to me, he was trying to convey what I just did it it just didn't come out that way.

S. Casey

[Steggy]

It took me a little bit to navigate to the right place on this website. Mind you this is my first forum to ever join.
It seems a friend of mine has gotten into a little bit of a jam concerning flat panel television technology. He is brilliant when it comes to networking technology. I could never even dream of equaling him in that field. When it comes to pdp, lcd, led, dlp, oled, crt and the new lpd (laser phosphor display) that's my field of work. Just by reading this webpage alone I have interpreted that this heated discussion is over input lag. Let me first ask you Mr Steggy, what are your qualifications? I have a Phd and a masters degree in Applied Sciences in Broudcasting / Telecommunications class 6 engineer. If you are more qualified than I then by all means I'll step aside and let you have the floor. Until then I'm going to explain to you, my friend and everyone else in this community what you should know about input lag. Any monitor / display / television that is two years old or newer you don't have to worry over input lag. This is a common misconception that gamers tend to talk about and discuss when they wish to look macho in front of their friends. As for that website Digital Versus, I don't know any thing about them but after performing a search on them I came across two other websites that discredit them. That really doesn't say anything either as one one of those sites was discredited by another. The companies that discuss input lag fail to tell you that you most likely will not notice it unless you're watching high speed motorsports or tennis and the like. If you are so concerned about input lag then why not go out there, enter the field that I'm in and come up with technology that will completely eliminate it. As far as my associates an I have seen, it is only gamers that concern themselves with it and it's really not necessary.
Unless you have something concrete to substantiate your claims then I would keep your comments to yourself.
As for my friend, you kind of ticked him off a little so he won't have anything to do with you now. That's just how he is. He isn't always the best at explaining televisions but from just what he explained to me, he was trying to convey what I just did it it just didn't come out that way.

S. Casey

From the part I bolded above, and from Acid Core's mentioning of "True Motion", it seems to me that you guys are confusing input lag with response time. Input lag does not affect TV watching, it only affects gaming. Input lag is only a problem for gaming, and I mention that in the first post I made on the fact. Response time, yea, in monitors pretty much every response time is in the 5ms region which is perfectly fine and not something that's really necessary to worry about, but input lag is still a present problem. You say that the new TV's don't have it, but it's pretty blatant that they do. There isn't much to discredit DV's testing on input lag, it's pretty straight forward. You have a computer output a timing program accurate to the ms, and you output the signal to an LCD monitor and a CRT monitor(the CRT basically acts as your anchor since CRT's input lags are in the nanoseconds, which is virtually 0 ), you snap a high shutterspeed picture and record the differences, and you do that for a good amount of times so you get a min/max/average Sorry but I talk about TV's with competitive gaming in mind, because even when a TV test 16/20/23 ms, it can affect you during competitive play. I don't have the qualifications in TV technologies as you do, I wouldn't try to compete with you on how a TV is built or how the technologies exactly work, but input lag is a concept I've been dealing with for years on MLG, the proof is in the testing, and even the newer monitors still have input lag present.

And I'm sorry Acid Core was ticked off, but all I did was provide logic and facts from varied resources, and he was not able to rebut those.

[StntnCase]

There's no confusion. You brought up input lag and I recanted. Now you're going to throw in response time. Not once did I say anything about response time. So Mr Steggy, what exactly are you trying to get accross to these people? From what I read your trying to confuse them just by throwing out there response time and input lag. Most people don't know what that is. I'm sorry but you gamers are all the same. Always worried about the numbers and not what you can see with your on two eyes. I run more shutter speed test and benchmarks than you can shake a stick at. Of course your test bed is going to see drop rates. That doesn't mean that you will. No human can do what a machine can in that respect. Input lag is not a problem as you say it is. It's too bad that you're not here with me because I can demonstrate to you exactly what you're talking about with mere home mechanics and can without an a doubt show you where you're wrong. Don't preach what you can't back. You provided unsubstantiated qualms that have no concrete proof outside of some mysterious website. Just because one website claims to run testbeds on drop rates and then bases the complete review on it doesn't mean it is correct. If your interested in testbeds, benchmarks and whatnot, perform them yourself and then come back here and provide your logic. Don't expect these people (and I don't know Jack from Sally here) to take what you say with any kind of weight. Until you can provide any kind qualifying proof your word holds no weight. I have proven my buddy wrong plenty of times but in this case his argument holds true that you my friend don't know what your talking about outside of another persons review. That's why he's ticked off because people like you come along and provide the people with statements and review this and review that and all-in-all it's bullsh*t. Until you can provide these nice people with solid and substantiating results based upon your testings an not some mysterious website that I can find discrediting remarks after a simple search your word holds no weight and these nice people should have no reason to believe you.

On a side note: I found your website on YouTube by the way. Actually I stumbled across your old YouTube site where you go on to review a headset stand I think it was. You based your review on it's ability to tip when bumped or knocked. I'm sorry but after witnessing that alone leads me to believe that you have no bases for any of your reviews either. You just conduct your reviews on a whim and not base them off any kind of factual representation.

I don't normally come down on people this way but I will frequent this site and any kind of third rate opinion that you claim is fact I will prove you wrong until these people understand that you word holds no weight. Until you do provide substantiating proof of your workings you can expect a recant on anything related to monitors and televisions. See you on the flip side.

[Steggy]

There's no confusion. You brought up input lag and I recanted. Now you're going to throw in response time. Not once did I say anything about response time. So Mr Steggy, what exactly are you trying to get accross to these people? From what I read your trying to confuse them just by throwing out there response time and input lag. Most people don't know what that is. I'm sorry but you gamers are all the same. Always worried about the numbers and not what you can see with your on two eyes. I run more shutter speed test and benchmarks than you can shake a stick at. Of course your test bed is going to see drop rates. That doesn't mean that you will. No human can do what a machine can in that respect. Input lag is not a problem as you say it is. It's too bad that you're not here with me because I can demonstrate to you exactly what you're talking about with mere home mechanics and can without an a doubt show you where you're wrong. Don't preach what you can't back. You provided unsubstantiated qualms that have no concrete proof outside of some mysterious website. Just because one website claims to run testbeds on drop rates and then bases the complete review on it doesn't mean it is correct. If your interested in testbeds, benchmarks and whatnot, perform them yourself and then come back here and provide your logic. Don't expect these people (and I don't know Jack from Sally here) to take what you say with any kind of weight. Until you can provide any kind qualifying proof your word holds no weight. I have proven my buddy wrong plenty of times but in this case his argument holds true that you my friend don't know what your talking about outside of another persons review. That's why he's ticked off because people like you come along and provide the people with statements and review this and review that and all-in-all it's bullsh*t. Until you can provide these nice people with solid and substantiating results based upon your testings an not some mysterious website that I can find discrediting remarks after a simple search your word holds no weight and these nice people should have no reason to believe you.

On a side note: I found your website on YouTube by the way. Actually I stumbled across your old YouTube site where you go on to review a headset stand I think it was. You based your review on it's ability to tip when bumped or knocked. I'm sorry but after witnessing that alone leads me to believe that you have no bases for any of your reviews either. You just conduct your reviews on a whim and not base them off any kind of factual representation.

I don't normally come down on people this way but I will frequent this site and any kind of third rate opinion that you claim is fact I will prove you wrong until these people understand that you word holds no weight. Until you do provide substantiating proof of your workings you can expect a recant on anything related to monitors and televisions. See you on the flip side.

Ok, so you didn't mix up response time and input lag, you had just made an incorrect statement about input lag when you said it affected watching sports. So your incorrect statement threw me off, sorry about that. But before now I had only mentioned input lag to the people in this thread, so thanks for yet another wrongful accusation of my intentions >_>

And you really don't have any argument to throw out, you're contradicting yourself. At first you say "Oh, just because the pictures can show the difference doesn't mean your eyes can" then you go onto say that the numbers don't hold weight until I do them myself, but I thought they didn't hold any weight in the first place? Digital Versus has proven to be a reliable site to myself and other gamers alike. Anyone can try to discredit anyone. It's a slippery slope. You have site X that tries to discredit site Y but then site Z discredits site X. I'm sure some site out there has tried to discredit DXOmark.com, but most photographers will turn to that site for sensor tests because it has proven to be reliable to them.

And digital versus does not base their reviews on input lag, it is merely 1 factor for them, but it is a big factor in our gaming community so that factor holds a lot more weight when we shop for TV's. And I've helped with input lag tests before, it's how I helped MLG pick the Acer H233H over some HP monitor that they were comparing it against, and I will be doing reviews on TV's as soon as I get some equipment I'm waiting on, but oh wait, won't I be discredited because you saw some video on youtube that you're taking out of context? There is a reason why the video where I shoot the astro headset stand is on my casual account. I showed some people on OCN the stand and they had some questions that I made a little video to demonstrate the answer to them. It wasn't a review by any means which is why I didn't put it on my youtube account that I do reviews on. It seems like you're really grasping for straws now. And you haven't proved me wrong once, you have been saying incorrect statements, you have been contradicting yourself, and you have been making no real arguments against my case other than saying "well i don't trust that site", and finally, you're acting pretty immature. I've presented all of my arguments in a clear logical manner and you seem to be getting heated up by it and getting uncivilized when it isn't called for. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you here man, I am simply looking for an actual argument against my own in a mature logical fashion.

[AcIdC0R3]

Dude, you've been dawgged. haha. Not once was he incorrect. He's going to make an example out of you and your going to be real sorry that he did. Don't say I didn't warn you. From what I read he never contradicted himself once. Now who's grasping straws now. Oh, the only reason he brought up your YouTube was because of me and the fact that you give lame reviews. You go on do what your gonna do and he will make an example out of you. That's all I have to say.

[Byronfest]

Jesus Christ, Your grown men. I thought this would be fun to read but this dick measuring contest over who is right or wrong is just embarrassing to read now.

[Steggy]

Dude, you've been dawgged. haha. Not once was he incorrect. He's going to make an example out of you and your going to be real sorry that he did. Don't say I didn't warn you. From what I read he never contradicted himself once. Now who's grasping straws now. Oh, the only reason he brought up your YouTube was because of me and the fact that you give lame reviews. You go on do what your gonna do and he will make an example out of you. That's all I have to say.

Well if you read my entire post you would see where I said he contradicted himself. The only argument I've gotten from him is that he doesn't think that Digital Versus is a reputable site, therefore any information derived from there is moot, which is his opinion, and I do respect it, he obviously has knowledge in the field of TV's, but I believe he is wrong when he says input lag virtually doesn't exist which from my experience, and thousands of people's experience on the mlg forums, just isn't true. You could argue that it's all in your head when feeling input lag, but that's also going to be just an opinion, and not concrete fact, because I personally can tell when a TV like the NX2232W has high input lag, and I can tell when a monitor like the VX2260WM has low input lag, and others can do the same, but not everyone does notice, which is where input lag becomes opinion based.. But at this point it's basically an agreement to disagree, because no matter what sources I will throw out at you you will try and just say they are discredited and dismiss them, and this thread is now turning into a who has the biggest dick contest like Byron said.

[ASTRO Warblade]

My suggestion is to stop competing for it. It's already won. THIS is the Big Dick:

http://erikbrewer.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/dick-cheney2.jpg

[Byronfest]

Who is it lol? Excuse my ignorance I'm English.

[ASTRO Warblade]

LOL, sorry. That's Dick Cheney. He was VP with George W. Bush (46th President of the United States).

[StntnCase]

My incorrect statement. I didn't go to school for ten years to lose a word debate against you sonny. Ok, I understand now. You're going to try and twist my words around. My buddy's right, who's grasping now. You like to twist words and meanings around to suite your liking. They have a name for that. It's called m a n I p u l a t o r. I know you know what I'm saying is true, so let me say it again but just so everyone else can get the meaning. The testbeds or shutterspeeds, whatever you wish to call them are going to show actual results. That's what the're designed to do. They are designed to pick up slow laggy or response (laymen terms ok) timings. You (the human eye) will not see these as it cannot interperate these speeds. Maybe two years ago but not now. The timings are too fast. I can't and I'm an expert in this field. As for the findings, there not your own. You're basing your findings on someone else's work. Why can't you do the tests yourself and provide the results for everyone to see instead of manipulating everyone in to believing that you yourself made the findings. Can you not think for yourself? If you're going to quote facts, at least give credit to those that did make the finding. The only reason I said that website was basing their findings on one particular area is because you pushed the idea off in that direction. I assumed that was what you were referring to whole heartedly. That was my mistake, to assume anything from someone who likes to manipulate people. When I mentioned sports was to set an example out there for you and you misinterpreted the whole meaning. Let me rephrase it so you can understand it better. If, and I do mean IF you could see the drop rates in high speed scenes it would most likely be high speed motor racing events such as nascar, formula one racing or tennis or the like but you can't see it without help from instrumentation. With these new televisions entering onto the market today you're not going to see slow timing or response times or lag as it's so commonly used in the gaming field nowadays. The're designed to give you actual true motion without any picture lag or slow timings. How do I know this? I help design the technology. Before the actual technology hit full swing it was commonly used in sets and classified as a game mode. Nowadays the technology is there and television manufacturers are going to utilize it. These new sets call it 240 or 480 Hz which LG classify it as TruMotion. They have trademarked that name so as to prevent a standard in the field of flat panel technology.
Until you can provide substantial benchmark scores that you performed yourself you word carries no weight other than what you say another website came up with the findings. If you want real findings and actual facts come up with the testings yourself, explain the testbed to the people and then present your findings.
Forget about what I said about your YouTube site. My buddy had only brought it to my attention and I reflected upon my opinion. I hope this clears the air or are you going to manipulate the results into your liking again. I guess we'll see won't we.

[Steggy]

My incorrect statement. I didn't go to school for ten years to lose a word debate against you sonny. Ok, I understand now. You're going to try and twist my words around. My buddy's right, who's grasping now. You like to twist words and meanings around to suite your liking. They have a name for that. It's called m a n I p u l a t o r. I know you know what I'm saying is true, so let me say it again but just so everyone else can get the meaning. The testbeds or shutterspeeds, whatever you wish to call them are going to show actual results. That's what the're designed to do. They are designed to pick up slow laggy or response (laymen terms ok) timings. You (the human eye) will not see these as it cannot interperate these speeds. Maybe two years ago but not now. The timings are too fast. I can't and I'm an expert in this field. As for the findings, there not your own. You're basing your findings on someone else's work. Why can't you do the tests yourself and provide the results for everyone to see instead of manipulating everyone in to believing that you yourself made the findings. Can you not think for yourself? If you're going to quote facts, at least give credit to those that did make the finding. The only reason I said that website was basing their findings on one particular area is because you pushed the idea off in that direction. I assumed that was what you were referring to whole heartedly. That was my mistake, to assume anything from someone who likes to manipulate people. When I mentioned sports was to set an example out there for you and you misinterpreted the whole meaning. Let me rephrase it so you can understand it better. If, and I do mean IF you could see the drop rates in high speed scenes it would most likely be high speed motor racing events such as nascar, formula one racing or tennis or the like but you can't see it without help from instrumentation. With these new televisions entering onto the market today you're not going to see slow timing or response times or lag as it's so commonly used in the gaming field nowadays. The're designed to give you actual true motion without any picture lag or slow timings. How do I know this? I help design the technology. Before the actual technology hit full swing it was commonly used in sets and classified as a game mode. Nowadays the technology is there and television manufacturers are going to utilize it. These new sets call it 240 or 480 Hz which LG classify it as TruMotion. They have trademarked that name so as to prevent a standard in the field of flat panel technology.
Until you can provide substantial benchmark scores that you performed yourself you word carries no weight other than what you say another website came up with the findings. If you want real findings and actual facts come up with the testings yourself, explain the testbed to the people and then present your findings.
Forget about what I said about your YouTube site. My buddy had only brought it to my attention and I reflected upon my opinion. I hope this clears the air or are you going to manipulate the results into your liking again. I guess we'll see won't we.

So much for level headed debating.

Your argument is that I did not test every monitor that Digital Versus did, so I can't talk about input lag because I wasn't the one who recorded the numbers from the test. So I can't say that monitor X has a 1920x1080 resolution because I didn't manually count the pixels, Newegg did it for me? Contrast ratio, dot pitch, etc.? I can't talk about them because I am relying on websites to have that information? How dare I.

And all of this true motion, game mode, and Hz you are referring to, is referring to refresh rates/response times for displays. Which again is NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I am now confident that you are thinking of response time in displays, because you think that TV watching is affected by input lag which it is not. Input lag is the delay from when you input a command on a controller to when it is actually displayed on the monitor. Does not affect TV watching. It does however, affect your game play at a competition level. Games like Guitar Hero and Rock band have and still have calibration menus to compensate for input lag that TV's have, and input lag is just as important for FPS games. Just because you design the technology for TV's doesn't mean you game at a high level where you would notice the input lag, like I said, it's subjective when you discuss a person's reaction to it, but it is there. Whether the naked eye will notice or not varies on person to person, but just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it's not there. But once again, the terms you were describing deal with response time, not input lag.

[AcIdC0R3]

That's not what he's saying and you know it. How can he keep in line when you keep changing the facts around. A manipulator just like he said. He's only referring to what you are are talking about but then in the post to follow you claim something completely different. You twist the truth. Common behavour of a manipulator. Still grasping for straws are we. hmmmm. He was only elaborating on what you claimed in your first posting and changed your story and tried to discredit him and he came back with he will explain it so everybody could understand. Then you come back and say oh that's once again not what I'm talking about. You're evading every contort he comes at you with. Once again, behaviour of a manipulator. At this point it's plainly obvious you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. I may not know monitors and TV's like him but damn boy, I sure as hell know more than you do. You keep changing your story and he keeps showing you that you're wrong. He's brought the truth out in the open now. now people know that you're a manipulator and you can't hold your story true. You have to keep shifting the truth around. I honestly believe you won't amount to much in life. If this is all you have to hold on to you're a sad case. What a loser. Epic FAIL.

[Steggy]

That's not what he's saying and you know it. How can he keep in line when you keep changing the facts around. A manipulator just like he said. He's only referring to what you are are talking about but then in the post to follow you claim something completely different. You twist the truth. Common behavour of a manipulator. Still grasping for straws are we. hmmmm. He was only elaborating on what you claimed in your first posting and changed your story and tried to discredit him and he came back with he will explain it so everybody could understand. Then you come back and say oh that's once again not what I'm talking about. You're evading every contort he comes at you with. Once again, behaviour of a manipulator. At this point it's plainly obvious you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. I may not know monitors and TV's like him but damn boy, I sure as hell know more than you do. You keep changing your story and he keeps showing you that you're wrong. He's brought the truth out in the open now. now people know that you're a manipulator and you can't hold your story true. You have to keep shifting the truth around. I honestly believe you won't amount to much in life. If this is all you have to hold on to you're a sad case. What a loser. Epic FAIL.

Your friend said that input lag is a thing of the past because true motion is coming out. He then went onto game mode and refresh rates, which deal with response time. I haven't twisted a thing. He thinks that game mode is meant for input lag when it isn't. And if you guys want to talk about taking someone else's information, look at you saying you know a hell of a lot more than me about TV's because you keep running to your friend to get quotes. All I have done is learned a concept of a specification of a TV, and apply the number I get from what I perceive to be reliable sources(DV/Prad/Anandtech/etc.) and apply them into my decision in purchasing a display for competitive gaming. It's the same thing as if I were to learn about resolutions and the differences between 720p and 1080p, then looking up monitors on newegg, and choosing the ones that are labeled 1080p. You just basically spit out everything your friend says about Tv's verbatum, then when you get an argument you resort to personal attacks. Classy.

So let's just make this simple. StntnCase, I would like to just ask you a series of questions that I would appreciate if you would answer them. So I don't have a chance to "manipulate your answers", just answer the questions and hold off on the comments until the last one, then add in your personal comments.

Reading your response on True Motion, and how it is also known simply as 240hz and 480hz, and how it used to be game mode. Now, from looking at TV's online, the specifications measured in Hz on large TV's were in relation to refresh rates, and game mode is basically when a monitor would overdrive the voltage so to speak to speed up the life and death of a pixel, to keep ghosting down so you will have clear images while watching fast paced sports/movies, or playing fast paced video games. So with this in mind, how will True Motion help with input lag in gaming, since to me, the 2 seem unrelated.

Now about your argument of me not performing an input lag test myself. I have done them before, but I don't own every monitor in the world unfortunately, so why is grabbing information off of sites who have those certain monitors discredit my opinion on input lag? Because with that logic, I wouldn't be able to make the statement 1080p has a sharper picture than 720p because I relied on newegg/amazon to give me that information. You may discredit Digital Versus, but there is still Prad.de, Anandtech forums, Hardforums, etc. where people will do input lag tests on their monitors and share them with the community to help people make a more informed purchase.

So basically, the last question I have is this. Do you think that input lag doesn't exist anymore, and that all of the sites that do those tests are pure hokum, or do you simply feel the numbers are low enough nowadays where it is virtually gone? Because if its the latter, then as I said earlier, the perception of input lag will vary from person to person. Some might notice it, some won't. And working on a competitive gaming website, I run into many people who can notice that, including myself.

[AcIdC0R3]

There you go about input lag again. What would happen when he would retort? You would come back and say 'I'm not talking about input lag'. You have this habit of evading every retort he came back with. You never once backed up any of your comments. You talked about input lag and he elaborated. You came back saying that's not what you're talking about and said you were talking about this and this and that. So he came back and elaborated. You once again came back saying that wasn't what you were talking about. Just like I said before, you evaded every one of his retorts. Classic behaviour of someone that's trying to manipulate the situation. In the end result he didn't have to prove you wrong, you yourself proved how infallible your point was. You showed these people here Steggy how unreliable your facts were. You couldn't back any of his questions and now you want to ask him some question. You're a manipulative little punk kid who's used to getting his way and not making his way. By the way, he never said input lag didn't exist anymore. Go back and read what he said. He said input lag is barely noticeable in the newer TV's. You took every thing he said out of context. He showed everybody on here that your story is full of holes. When he asked you why you didn't perform your own tests and you came back with you get your results from this place and that place. What he's getting at is it's like using someone else's copyright. He told you he was going to make an example out of you and that's exactly what he did. No other words need be spoken at this point because your word holds no weight as he would say. So Steggy, there you go. You dug your own hole on all of it. What a loser. Epic fail.

[Steggy]

There you go about input lag again. What would happen when he would retort? You would come back and say 'I'm not talking about input lag'. You have this habit of evading every retort he came back with. You never once backed up any of your comments. You talked about input lag and he elaborated. You came back saying that's not what you're talking about and said you were talking about this and this and that. So he came back and elaborated. You once again came back saying that wasn't what you were talking about. Just like I said before, you evaded every one of his retorts. Classic behaviour of someone that's trying to manipulate the situation. In the end result he didn't have to prove you wrong, you yourself proved how infallible your point was. You showed these people here Steggy how unreliable your facts were. You couldn't back any of his questions and now you want to ask him some question. You're a manipulative little punk kid who's used to getting his way and not making his way. By the way, he never said input lag didn't exist anymore. Go back and read what he said. He said input lag is barely noticeable in the newer TV's. You took every thing he said out of context. He showed everybody on here that your story is full of holes. When he asked you why you didn't perform your own tests and you came back with you get your results from this place and that place. What he's getting at is it's like using someone else's copyright. He told you he was going to make an example out of you and that's exactly what he did. No other words need be spoken at this point because your word holds no weight as he would say. So Steggy, there you go. You dug your own hole on all of it. What a loser. Epic fail.

I never said I wasn't talking about something when he would respond. I would talk about input lag, then he would mention game mode and true motion, which didn't relate to it. He misspoke, and he tried turning it around on me saying i manipulated his responses to try to cover his ass, and now here you go and chime in again repeating everything he says like a parrot without an original thought. So now if he just thinks tv's input lags are not noticeable nowadays, then you guys have not proven me wrong at all, you prove me right. He isn't a competitive gamer. But he has a PHD in making tv's, so he should be in expert on playing on TV's right? Because that makes perfect sense. And read my response on using another site's numbers, because honestly, you are really reaching if you're only other argument is that another site has the numbers. Figuring out input lag on a monitor is a pretty wide known test. Many sites do it. I've done it myself. Digital Versus is the largest site that does this test and has the most monitors to test. Showing DV's findings on the numbers is no different than telling people the resolution of the monitor when read from Newegg/Amazon, but whatever, just resort to personal attacks again because you honestly have no argument. This all began because you said new large LED's were better for everything, I responded that smaller monitors are better for competitive gaming in mind because of low input lag, but mentioned an LED display that had both a low input lag and the nice LED picture, then went on to mention that the larger LED's picture quality wasn't good enough over plasma to justify its price. Then you try to fight me on both and fail miserably, and you give a link that your friend gave you to a site that directly compares the pros and cons between LED and plasma, and you prove yourself wrong again. Now, since I assume you're an LED owner at this point, you seem to feel butt hurt from being proved wrong and you resort to personal attacks, and bringing in your friend who waves his PHD around but still doesn't directly answer my arguments. Then you basically laugh and jump around in his corner thinking he's winning and still resorting to personal attacks, but you have not proven me wrong once. You basically just call my knowledge derivative, which is barely an argument. Oh, how'd you learn Calculus? College? You shouldn't be able to do calculus because you stole the process from your professor's at school. You couldn't just invent it yourself. So now Acid, either have your friend come back and legitimately answer my questions in a mature way, or just go ahead and make another post that will repeat a few sentences he says and be the parrot again. Your choice.

[AcIdC0R3]

You don't get it do you? It's over he confronted you on every turn and you shunned away and LIED that you were never talking about this or that. Steggy, you dug your hole and stepped in it. You're always going on about input lag. What is with that? Can't you give it a rest? He responded to YOUR conversation about it and you backed away and then denied ever mentioning it. You had your chance and you blew it by twisting everything around. He elaborated on everything you brought up and you couldn't back your story. He's done with making an example out of you. He's not going to sit here and split hairs with you anymore. He won't be back. It's over. Now you have to contend with me and sadly you will do the same and take everything out of context just as your doing in this post now and I'll make an example out of you too. You turn it around on someone else because you can't face the truth. So just face it, you lost face. You're such a loser you don't even know when to give it a rest. I take my statement back about having to contend with me. I'm through with you too. Your old news dude. Don't expect me to respond to any more of your posts. I don't talk to losers. DOH!
HAHA. :eek:

EDIT: This is the last post Steggy. These people I'm sure are tired of all this crap so give it a rest OK.

[Steggy]

You don't get it do you? It's over he confronted you on every turn and you shunned away and LIED that you were never talking about this or that. Steggy, you dug your hole and stepped in it. You're always going on about input lag. What is with that? Can't you give it a rest? He responded to YOUR conversation about it and you backed away and then denied ever mentioning it. You had your chance and you blew it by twisting everything around. He elaborated on everything you brought up and you couldn't back your story. He's done with making an example out of you. He's not going to sit here and split hairs with you anymore. He won't be back. It's over. Now you have to contend with me and sadly you will do the same and take everything out of context just as your doing in this post now and I'll make an example out of you too. You turn it around on someone else because you can't face the truth. So just face it, you lost face. You're such a loser you don't even know when to give it a rest. I take my statement back about having to contend with me. I'm through with you too. Your old news dude. Don't expect me to respond to any more of your posts. I don't talk to losers. DOH!
HAHA. :eek:

EDIT: This is the last post Steggy. These people I'm sure are tired of all this crap so give it a rest OK.
Yep. You sure showed me man. I am defeated, you are such a good arguer how could i ever have doubted you. Woe is me.

[Byronfest]

Well I've just pre ordered the new Xbox to game on and I'm going to keep my PS3 for films and stuff connected up to my Samsung (http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/led-tv/UE40B8000XWXXC/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=feature). I have just ordered this (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01732309&tmp_task=prodinfoCategory&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=uk&product=3878548) monitor. What are your opinions? I'm a total novice when it comes to this kind of stuff, well to be honest gaming in general.... But I try.
I had a bit of spare cash so I ordered it. My plan is to use it as a monitor for me PC and me Xbox simultaneously using the HDMI and DVI then just switching using the source button.

[ghueni whale]

Its a lcd ti has hdmi dvi and vga its around $350 on amazon im worried about the size tho its full 1080p 16:9 ratio would this be a good monitor
http://www.viewsonic.com/products/vx2739wm.htm

sorry about spelling

[SocksWthSandals]

Its a lcd ti has hdmi dvi and vga its around $350 on amazon im worried about the size tho its full 1080p 16:9 ratio would this be a good monitor
http://www.viewsonic.com/products/vx2739wm.htm

sorry about spelling

wouldnt be good for gaming since the mlg uses 22 inch. and 27 is far from. id reccomend 20-23 inch if your serious for gaming

[pgott87]

Just placed my order for a Samsung XL-2370 monitor. Also ordered a pair of those KontrolFreek thingies to try out. The man in brown should be here any moment delivering my new Astro A40s. This is going to be a good week :D

[cyrix]

ive been playing games on PC and when choosing a monitor for gaming or video you will want pay attention the the response time. This will be listed in mS (milliseconds). The faster the better. The response time is the length of time it takes for a pixel to change from white to black to white. I have seen a range of times from 12mS down to 8mS. I don't know if there is anything faster than that. A slow response time may produce 'ghost' images in very fast action game play. Alienware specializes in gamer systems, but I don't know if they sell monitors separately.

[AcIdC0R3]

If anyone is thinking about getting a TV or monitor, today is the day to do it. They don't call it Black Friday for nothin'. :D

[Neyox]

Im buying a new tv/monitor soon, and i want a monitor. But is there any way to get normal cable for like, tv shows, onto a monitor? if that makes sense?

[gardenislandbradda]

Im buying a new tv/monitor soon, and i want a monitor. But is there any way to get normal cable for like, tv shows, onto a monitor? if that makes sense?

Yes they do sell some monitors with tv tuner built in.Here is some
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?CatId=1046
But if you are going for one with tv tuner just get a regular tv monitor.

[Its_Lips]

Im buying a new tv/monitor soon, and i want a monitor. But is there any way to get normal cable for like, tv shows, onto a monitor? if that makes sense?

http://www.amazon.com/23IN-LCD-Tv-1920X1080-1000/dp/B0040B7206 I have ones of these. Got it at costco for 200

[FluX]

Hi, I'm thinking of getting a new tv/monitor myself, and after looking at your post, I never knew that monitors were better.

So I'm thinking of getting a monitor now, do you think this is a good one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236078

[AcIdC0R3]

Hi, I'm thinking of getting a new tv/monitor myself, and after looking at your post, I never knew that monitors were better.

So I'm thinking of getting a monitor now, do you think this is a good one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236078
I would get one with a 2ms response time. HERE (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7199460&CatId=5469) is a nice one. Plus, Viewsonic has been making monitors since the 15" CRT models and been around since 1987.

EDIT: HERE (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116479) is another good one. Hell, I might pick this one up myself.

[SocksWthSandals]

I would get one with a 2ms response time. HERE (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7199460&CatId=5469) is a nice one. Plus, Viewsonic has been making monitors since the 15" CRT models and been around since 1987.

EDIT: HERE (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116479) is another good one. Hell, I might pick this one up myself.

A lot of people loved viewsonics but say now they are falling a bit far behind. The asus mlg monitor of choice looks nice. I have a samsung and a Viewsonic. Both 21.5. 2ms. Both amazing

[sfkingalpha]

Just ordered this for myself today.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116442&cm_re=viewsonic_led_monitor-_-24-116-442-_-Product

Upgrading from a 19 inch LCD Acer with a single dead pixel :)

[Its_Lips]

wouldnt be good for gaming since the mlg uses 22 inch. and 27 is far from. id reccomend 20-23 inch if your serious for gaming

they work okay for cod and BF for some reason halo is a lot better on 22" though.

[BulletsAFlyin]

I got the Alienware and the contrast is amazing. It is also very nice looking, has touch buttons and you can adjust the height of it with what is similar to the A40 adjuster.

[Its_Lips]

Guys I have 200$ in newegg credit. Anyone got any suggestions for a monitor?

[AcIdC0R3]

I would pay the difference and get THIS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001414) one. Samsung is known for making good displays. It's on sale and ends on the 4th of July.

[Its_Lips]

Thanks Acid thats a good looking one. Any other suggestions?

[AcIdC0R3]

THIS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236112) is another good one.

[Its_Lips]

I think I might go with that Samsung. That thing is good lookin'

[AcIdC0R3]

I think I might go with that Samsung. That thing is good lookin'

Yeah, it's on sale too. :)

[Its_Lips]

anyone got any other monitors they would recommend im buying one tonight.

[Its_Lips]

Ended up getting this one. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236051 Thought I would try the 21.5"

[LuNaTiiK]

Ended up getting this one. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236051 Thought I would try the 21.5"
Seems like a pretty good deal, especially with the mail-in rebate putting it at $140.

[Its_Lips]

Seems like a pretty good deal, especially with the mail-in rebate putting it at $140. Yeah it also has speakers which most monitors around that price lack. Should be nice next to the Vh236h :p it looks like they are pretty much the same monitor.

[marpla]

Guys...what do you think of this one....im thinking of making move on this one

Asus monitor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236123), what do you think of the brand/product....please help...HEEEELLLLLPPP!!! :D

[Ricanlegend]

Guys...what do you think of this one....im thinking of making move on this one

Asus monitor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236123), what do you think of the brand/product....please help...HEEEELLLLLPPP!!! :D

I don't know about this monitor i haven't researched but by looking at its details it sounds amazing but what i do know is that asus has amazing customer support they will pay for shipping both when i had trouble with my sister netbook they paid it no problem at all

[HULK]

Guys...what do you think of this one....im thinking of making move on this one

Asus monitor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236123), what do you think of the brand/product....please help...HEEEELLLLLPPP!!! :D

will you be gaming on this monitor ?

[Ricanlegend]

will you be gaming on this monitor ?

lol obviously yea or why else would he ask

[HULK]

lol obviously yea or why else would he ask

hahaha lol idk maybe he wants to just watch movies on it

[Ricanlegend]

Movies on a 22 inch is like watching from my iphone i rather use my 40 HDTV, I want to upgrade to An 80 that must be epic

[HULK]

Movies on a 22 inch is like watching from my iphone i rather use my 40 HDTV, I want to upgrade to An 80 that must be epic

80 inches would be beyond epic lol

[HULK]

This (http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VH236H-Inch-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B002453K5G) will work and so will This (http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VK246H-24-Inch-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B001LYSX12/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1311195528&sr=1-3) for gaming

[HULK]

Or you can go with this IPS monitor here (http://www.amazon.com/LG-IPS231P-BN-23-Inch-Widescreen-Pivoting/dp/accessories/B004KM4AQY)

[marpla]

Yes is for gaming and design most...so that LED seems a good choice, thanks for the other options Hulk.

[SocksWthSandals]

250$ is more than I'd pay for a monitor for gaming

[HULK]

Safe choices are the asus vh236h or asus vw246h either will do just fine

[marpla]

Safe choices are the asus vh236h or asus vw246h either will do just fine

Im looking for LED monitor, not only for gaming 60% gaming 40% work (art direction-design). The LCD i have now will be a gift for my girlfriend son. Im still looking for monitors, but allways in the LED section.

Thanks guys for the advices.

[HULK]

I'm not to sure what monitor's are good for art design maybe ips monitor's ?