Capture Cards

[Izzy]

Whats a good/decent cap card for around $50-$100.00??

and how do you use a capture card exactly im a little bit fuzzy on the details, id like one for gb to have proof of victories... whether it's hd or not i need one and need to know how to use it so any info would be helpful.... Thanks :)

[BULLBOYKENNELS]

Well for that price range you gonna be capturing in SD Standard Definition so your looking at a Dazzle, EasyCap.

Dazzle (http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Products/Consumer+Products/Dazzle/Dazzle+Video+Archiving/Dazzle+Video+Creator+Plus+HD.htm)

EasyCap you can find on Amazon[.]come

Now if you want to capture in HD then your gonna be in the $200 range using the Black Magic Intensity Pro or the Hauppauge HD PVR

Blackmagic Intensity Pro (http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/)

Hauppauge HD PVR (http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html)

[Izzy]

ok but like how do they work?

[BULLBOYKENNELS]

All 3 of these devices except for the Intensity Pro connect via USB to your computer where as the Intensity Pro connects internally via PCI-E to your computer tower.

EasyCap, Dazzle connect to your PS3, XBOX, or Wii via RCA connection. Records in 480i
Hauppauge HD PVR connects to those console via RCA, Component HD cables it records in 480i, 720p, 1080i.
Intensity Pro connects via, RCA, Component HD, HDMI to record in 480i, 720p, 1080i, 1080p.

The two SD devices will require that you use splitters to connect your game device & computer. Hauppage HD PVR has passthru so it connect via an extra set of cables that it comes with to your TV while it connects via USB to your computer. The intensity Pro connect to your console then outputs to your TV.

[ASTRO Warblade]

Do all of these provide pass through to the TV? Or would you have to be playing in some "windowed" mode on your computer & computer monitor?

[ASTRO Warblade]

Ah, it looks like the Intensity Pro does input and output via HDMI. Pretty sweet. I'd be worried about it passing on video lag, perhaps a tiny bit, but not bad of a solution. Now if only something like the Mac Mini would take a PCI-Express card. =P Maybe a Shuttle near the TV would work out better for this...

[BULLBOYKENNELS]

All of these devices allow you to play on your TV directly while it captures to your computer. So you do not have a lag issue. However if your capturing to your computer do not use that monitor to play on cause there is a delay since it is capturing, with the exception of the Intensity Pro.

[BULLBOYKENNELS]

Ah, it looks like the Intensity Pro does input and output via HDMI. Pretty sweet. I'd be worried about it passing on video lag, perhaps a tiny bit, but not bad of a solution. Now if only something like the Mac Mini would take a PCI-Express card. =P Maybe a Shuttle near the TV would work out better for this...

I do all my capture on a iMAC so I use the Hauppage HD PVR so if you want HD then that is the one I recommend, Unless you have a Tower like the Mac Pro then use the Intensity Pro device.

If you want to see the quality of the recording keep in mind that Youtube compresses the video a whole lot but still the quality if very good. And I capture it in 720p rather then 1080i but the higher the better I just try to keep the file size down by doing 720p. Also the Intensity Pro comes with it own break out cables for RCA, Component HD cables as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXPi1BDB2zE

[Izzy]

what about this?

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/videorecorder/

would this be plug into your computer and put the 3 colored ones from the xbox into the 3 on the recorder and then theres a program that records it on your computer so you can upload it to youtube?

[AllTimeMitch]

what about this?

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/videorecorder/

would this be plug into your computer and put the 3 colored ones from the xbox into the 3 on the recorder and then theres a program that records it on your computer so you can upload it to youtube?

Yes this is true. Although you want to get some Composite (3 Colours) Splitters to split the Xbox Composite leads to you TV aswell.

If you play directly on your computer, the video will be lagged by around one second because of the processing that has to be done.

Also remember that anything that has HDCP (Zune HD, Netflix, Sky Player, Halo Waypoint) will only show a blank screen. All games on the Xbox 360 should show up fine.

- TheHyperVertigo

[BULLBOYKENNELS]

what about this?

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/videorecorder/

would this be plug into your computer and put the 3 colored ones from the xbox into the 3 on the recorder and then theres a program that records it on your computer so you can upload it to youtube?


That device records in SD with a max resolution of 720x480 so while you can capture from HD devices with component HD cables it's still on SD footage.


Yes this is true. Although you want to get some Composite (3 Colours) Splitters to split the Xbox Composite leads to you TV aswell.

If you play directly on your computer, the video will be lagged by around one second because of the processing that has to be done.

Also remember that anything that has HDCP (Zune HD, Netflix, Sky Player, Halo Waypoint) will only show a blank screen. All games on the Xbox 360 should show up fine.

- TheHyperVertigo

The Hauppauge HD PVR will actually allow you to record from Netflix, Cable boxes & Satellite receivers as it does have video pass-thru. This I can account for cause I record some of my NFL games via my Direct TV HD receiver & netflix from my 360 & PS3, As for the other devices I can't say for sure.

[AcIdC0R3]

I have two xbox's but the one I want to use for outputting to capture is a first gen (hence no HDMI). I use the component cables to output to HD on my TV. How would I continue to watch in HD but output to some type of capture devise in SD at the same time. Does the 360 continue to output video to the yellow composite cable if I'm using my component cables? Thanks...

Cheers...

[AllTimeMitch]

I have two xbox's but the one I want to use for outputting to capture is a first gen (hence no HDMI). I use the component cables to output to HD on my TV. How would I continue to watch in HD but output to some type of capture devise in SD at the same time. Does the 360 continue to output video to the yellow composite cable if I'm using my component cables? Thanks...

Cheers...

If you switch the block to SDTV then yes, it will output via both Component and Composite. Although if you switch it back to HDTV it will simply output to the Component Cables only.

- TheHyperVertigo

[AcIdC0R3]

If you switch the block to SDTV then yes, it will output via both Component and Composite. Although if you switch it back to HDTV it will simply output to the Component Cables only.

- TheHyperVertigo

Okay thanks, that's what I needed to know.

Cheers...

[jT415Gz]

I understand that Xbox 360 games do not have HDCP, so capturing video via HDMI will work. Correct?

However, I've read PS3 games have HDCP and the video cannot be captured via HDMI, so the user will need to connect via component cabling instead.

Also, I've read HDMI ALWAYS will have HDCP.

If I connect my PS3 via component into the Intensity Pro, do I HAVE to use the component out of the breakout cable that's included, or can I output via HDMI to my TV? I really would prefer outputting via HDMI if at all possible. :cool:

[SocksWthSandals]

i really want a new capture card. i have the first red dazzle(but lost the program) i want a new one to start makin some sweet vids

[AcIdC0R3]

So far I have only been able to find two devices that capture to component video. THIS (http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/videorecorder/installation/) one which is only made for the Mac. But THIS (http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/component-video-capture-device-usb/) one I'm going to order in a few days as it is for windows. It looks very promising. I have Pinnacle Studio 14 Ultimate HD and then use this capture devise (EZCAP). My videos will be epic. :D

http://www.imgcandy.com/images/67130961003544684741.jpg (http://www.imgcandy.com/)

[jT415Gz]

So far I have only been able to find two devices that capture to component video. THIS (http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/videorecorder/installation/) one which is only made for the Mac. But THIS (http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/videorecorder/installation/) one I'm going to order in a few days as it is for windows. It looks very promising. I have Pinnacle Studio 14 Ultimate HD and then use this capture devise (EZCAP). My videos will be epic. :D

*snip*

Are both links supposed to direct you to different products? They are both directing to the same page. Link addresses are identical.

What are the differences between Ezcap and the Intensity models?

[AcIdC0R3]

Are both links supposed to direct you to different products? They are both directing to the same page. Link addresses are identical.

What are the differences between Ezcap and the Intensity models?

Sorry, my bad. Check the link now. :rolleyes:

[RPAL]

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

This is most likely the best Video Game capture card your gonna get. If you watch Machinima/Machinima Respawn, most people on there use this. I have it and it works great.

All you do is plug the Xbox in the back of it, then plug the other wires from the back to the TV. Done. No lagg between the 2, only on the computer screen, which you wont be playing on anyway (All Capture Cards have about a 2 second lagg between the computer and Xbox, the dazzle is by far the hardest to configure in this case).

HIGHLY suggest this. Ohh, and don't buy an HD capture card with anything below a fast processor (If you edit in sony vegas like i do, sony suggests 2.8ghz for 720p) and a less then 1080 Full HD monitor for your computer. My laptop is so slow compared to this computer because its a 1280x720, and i record in that, so its laggy in playback. For HD videos, its about 600mbs per 10 minutes, and with the dazzle its about half the size.

But if you get a cheap $90 Dazzle or something, you basicly HAVE to play in SD while recording/have it set up. With the HD PVR you can play in up to 1080i.

BTW, with that EzCap, your going to need to buy a component splitter (Unless your TV has component outputs, unlikely), and more wires. This will run you up another $100. Same goes for the dazzle, as there is no loopthrough like the HD PVR has. Otherwise your stuck playing on the Computer screen with a 2 second lag.

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG50XdhYj2Y <-- I made that quality comparison last week to show the youtube quality of the HD PVR. The first part is the Bungie.net Render which is basicly what you will get with a SD Capture card.

[AcIdC0R3]

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

This is most likely the best Video Game capture card your gonna get. If you watch Machinima/Machinima Respawn, most people on there use this. I have it and it works great.

All you do is plug the Xbox in the back of it, then plug the other wires from the back to the TV. Done. No lagg between the 2, only on the computer screen, which you wont be playing on anyway (All Capture Cards have about a 2 second lagg between the computer and Xbox, the dazzle is by far the hardest to configure in this case).

HIGHLY suggest this. Ohh, and don't buy an HD capture card with anything below a fast processor (If you edit in sony vegas like i do, sony suggests 2.8ghz for 720p) and a less then 1080 Full HD monitor for your computer. My laptop is so slow compared to this computer because its a 1280x720, and i record in that, so its laggy in playback. For HD videos, its about 600mbs per 10 minutes, and with the dazzle its about half the size.

But if you get a cheap $90 Dazzle or something, you basicly HAVE to play in SD while recording/have it set up. With the HD PVR you can play in up to 1080i.

BTW, with that EzCap, your going to need to buy a component splitter (Unless your TV has component outputs, unlikely), and more wires. This will run you up another $100. Same goes for the dazzle, as there is no loopthrough like the HD PVR has. Otherwise your stuck playing on the Computer screen with a 2 second lag.

That's a PVR. That's not what I'm looking for. I have studio grade capturing and editing software that with the EzCap will capture better quality video than that PVR. With that PVR you are limited only to what is preprogrammed into the PVR hardware. The software that I have, I have all kinds of different formats I can play with. $200 for that PVR?. Just my software alone cost 4 times that much and I'm not limited to just component video. If I want to capture HDMI from my PS3 I can through a capture card and still use my software for it. Thanks for the insight though. I have a friend that might be interested in that PVR, I'll send him a web link to it's site so he can think about getting one. :D

Cheers...

[AcIdC0R3]

Well, after doing a little recon (research), I just might have to get me one. Thanks RPAL.

Cheers...

[RPAL]

Well, after doing a little recon (research), I just might have to get me one. Thanks RPAL.

Cheers...

Your welcome. And i have Sony Vegas Pro 9, (I'm pretty sure its around $600) and it is one of the easiest ways to edit the HD files smoothly. Just need a extremely fast processor if you plan on HD editing.

And may i ask what your research was? I know its a great product because most people at Machinima use it, and mine works extremely well. The capture software alone for it is 20x better then something i would get with Pinnacle.

[AcIdC0R3]

Your welcome. And i have Sony Vegas Pro 9, (I'm pretty sure its around $600) and it is one of the easiest ways to edit the HD files smoothly. Just need a extremely fast processor if you plan on HD editing.

And may i ask what your research was? I know its a great product because most people at Machinima use it, and mine works extremely well. The capture software alone for it is 20x better then something i would get with Pinnacle.

Your one stop shop for information; YouTube. haha I have Pinnacle Studio 14 HD Ultimate, Sony Vegas Pro 9 (x64) and I just bought Adobe Creative Suite 5 "The Master Collection" which set me back $2600. I don't think they will let me return it though. My processor is the AMD Phenom II X4 940 running at 3GHz. If that ain't fast enough then I don't think it's worth it because the only thing faster is the new AMD Phenom II x6. My Video board is THIS (http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product2-539.shtml) one.

The 360 that I will be capturing from is a first gen that has no HDMI. My 360 Elite has HDMI but it's in the main room with my PS3 slim both running HDMI to my wonderful new sound system and new Astros.

Machinima? What is that, an off shoot of YouTube or somethin'?

Cheers...

[RPAL]

Your one stop shop for information; YouTube. haha I have Pinnacle Studio 14 HD Ultimate, Sony Vegas Pro 9 (x64) and I just bought Adobe Creative Suite 5 "The Master Collection" which set me back $2600. I don't think they will let me return it though. My processor is the AMD Phenom II X4 940 running at 3GHz. If that ain't fast enough then I don't think it's worth it because the only thing faster is the new AMD Phenom II x6. My Video board is THIS (http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product2-539.shtml) one.

The 360 that I will be capturing from is a first gen that has no HDMI. My 360 Elite has HDMI but it's in the main room with my PS3 slim both running HDMI to my wonderful new sound system and new Astros.

Machinima? What is that, an off shoot of YouTube or somethin'?

Cheers...

My new Alienware has the ATI 5970 w/ 3.2 ghz. First time i have EVER seen Sony Vegas (64-bit) NEVER drop a frame rate in 720p file preview. Its so epic because i can edit HD with no lag.

The HD PVR only supports component video and Optical Audio. And machinima is one of the only companys that actually make money off of Video Game videos on Youtube. They have Machinima Sports, Machinima Respawn, and the normal Machinima Channel (Which is one of the most subscribed channels on youtube, if you click on "Categories" and "Gaming", it actually says "Machinima")

[jT415Gz]

Hey RPAL,

Have you any experience with the Intensity Pro HD card?
I already know you do with the HD PVR and recommend it.

How would you compare the two and which do you prefer?
I will mainly record from my PS3 and Xbox 360 that are both connected with HDMI cables to my TV.

I prefer connecting via HDMI In - to - Out of a capture card.
Component would obviously be my second choice.

Looks like it may go down to either getting HD PVR or the Intensity Pro cards.



-=]

[RPAL]

I have never used a Black Magic Intensity Card considering they are internal cards (I record away from my editing computer, using my laptop). The newest Black Magic Intensity Shuttle looks promising though, as it is an External card that can capture HDMI. With all these cards though, you will need a way to split off a connection from your Xbox or TV to the card itself, unlike the HD PVR (Which provides an easy input and output for component).

The Shuttle comes out this June, i can't seem to find a date on their site, but google should tell. Remember, you'll need a fast computer with a large HDD for handling the HD videos. I cannot stress this enough because i got my HD PVR when i only had a 720p laptop to edit on, its a gaming laptop that costs $1,200 but is still not fast enough. Sony recommends 2.8ghz minimum for HD Editing in their software (Most common software are Sony Vegas and Final Cut, never really heard of anyone editing with anything else other then Pinnacle for Dazzle.).

Hope that helps. (Ohh, and the New Black Magic Intesnity Shuttle is $199 - or so the website says, while the HD PVR is $250 new.)

[SocksWthSandals]

With all these cards though, you will need a way to split off a connection from your Xbox or TV to the card itself, unlike the HD PVR (Which provides an easy input and output for component).



how would one go about this?.... just curious

[RPAL]

how would one go about this?.... just curious

http://undefinedgaming.com/capcardguide/images/dazzle_setup1.png
^Most common way.


Think of it the same way with HD using Component. The HD PVR does this all for you on the inside. :D

[SocksWthSandals]

so thats still capturing in hd while using component?

[RPAL]

so thats still capturing in hd while using component?

That picture is capturing in SD while using Composite. There are other pictures on the internet of how to do it using component, but its the EXACT same thing, just using component inputs and wires for HD.

(After flipping through some stuff, the blackmagic might have a HDMI Out, not sure though. But for things like Dazzle and EZcap, that is the way to do it.)

[SocksWthSandals]

im pretty sure the blackmagic has hdmi out

[AcIdC0R3]

I think what he is asking is if it will act as a passthrough on the BM Intensity Pro. HERE (http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Blackmagic%20Design/BINTSPRO/?utm_source=amazon&utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_campaign=productads) is the board. One is an imput and one is an output. Is it not a passthrough at all?

[SocksWthSandals]

I think what he is asking is if it will act as a passthrough on the BM Intensity Pro. HERE (http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Blackmagic%20Design/BINTSPRO/?utm_source=amazon&utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_campaign=productads) is the board. One is an imput and one is an output. Is it not a passthrough at all?

from what i read is that its a passthrough.

[jT415Gz]

I have never used a Black Magic Intensity Card considering they are internal cards (I record away from my editing computer, using my laptop). The newest Black Magic Intensity Shuttle looks promising though, as it is an External card that can capture HDMI. With all these cards though, you will need a way to split off a connection from your Xbox or TV to the card itself, unlike the HD PVR (Which provides an easy input and output for component).

The Shuttle comes out this June, i can't seem to find a date on their site, but google should tell. Remember, you'll need a fast computer with a large HDD for handling the HD videos. I cannot stress this enough because i got my HD PVR when i only had a 720p laptop to edit on, its a gaming laptop that costs $1,200 but is still not fast enough. Sony recommends 2.8ghz minimum for HD Editing in their software (Most common software are Sony Vegas and Final Cut, never really heard of anyone editing with anything else other then Pinnacle for Dazzle.).

Hope that helps. (Ohh, and the New Black Magic Intesnity Shuttle is $199 - or so the website says, while the HD PVR is $250 new.)

The Intensity Pro has Input/Output Pass-through too. (I like that it has HDMI) But I've read that because of the PS3's HDCP (Protection), games and video have to be captured via Component (1080i).

Hmm... 2.8Ghz... is that Dual Core or Quad Core specifically? Because, I have a Intel Core 2 Quad Core @ 2.4Ghz and basically everything else is high-end, running in SLi... I would assume my PC would be fine since it plays .MKV files (Blu-ray) at around 50% processing power (great PC in its generation).

Yeah, the Intensity Shuttle was the first thing I was interested in because of all the features and it is a lot less bulkier than the humungous HD PVR (I'm sure they could have made it half the size :rolleyes:). But the Shuttle is only USB 3.0 and my PC is only 1.1/2.0 compliant. So I had to burry the idea of getting it.

Cool. I have like, four HDD's that adds up to 3-TB's :D
So, having enough space isn't a huge concern at the moment, haha.
One of them is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533 and it hauls ass.
The other two are WD Raptors; hauls major ass (not in RAID 0) <~ debating if I should change that though ;)
The fourth is just a regular WD Caviar for miscellaneous storage.

Thanks for the information buddy~

Good review read (HD PVR): http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/Hauppauge_HD_PVR_Review.htm

[AcIdC0R3]

After a little research, I found that the Intensity Pro you will need at least 4 HDD's running in raid 4 and a quad core at least. That is if you ever plan to capture in HD mode.I think the HD PVR is better then.

[jT415Gz]

After a little research, I found that the Intensity Pro you will need at least 4 HDD's running in raid 4 and a quad core at least. That is if you ever plan to capture in HD mode.I think the HD PVR is better then.

Right on for the update.

I wonder how old that info is though, only because Intensity Pro is for sure not a 2010 model (pretty old). Pretty sure it was released prior of '09 though. So those requirements are pretty outdated; if I stand correct on the release date.

With the performance increase of current HDD's the performance of RAID setups start to tapper thin until infinity, not needing as much as before when HDD's speed performance would lack a lot, plus the addition of faster DDR RAM and SATA 2/3

For example: My latest WD 1TB 64MB cache HDD can read large 9GB files at a rate of 132 -140 MB/s and cut/copy/paste at around 74 MB/s. (Just saying)

Don't mind me I'm just thinking out loud, :D.
I can get aloud when it comes time to talk about tech stuff~!

The HD PVR does look like a better deal over Intensity's. I just HATE how bulky the PVR is man, with the passion........... looks soooO VCR/Beta/8 track'ish

[AcIdC0R3]

That's exactly what threw me off about the PVR was it's bulkiness. Friends will start asking 'What's that black box'. Because of it's bulkiness it can't sit with the other components. It will have to sit on it's own. It just throws everything off but it looks as though that it is the best you can get right now. It sux that the PS3 you can't capture through HDMI because of HDCP. So the PVR is really the best option.

Cheers...

[RPAL]

The Mixamp for the A40's weighs more then the HD PVR lol, but yea i see your point. I expect the Intensity Shuttle to weight more as well.

HD PVR is most likely the best option for the PS3 then.


Hmm... 2.8Ghz... is that Dual Core or Quad Core specifically? Because, I have a Intel Core 2 Quad Core @ 2.4Ghz and basically everything else is high-end, running in SLi... I would assume my PC would be fine since it plays .MKV files (Blu-ray) at around 50% processing power (great PC in its generation).

My laptop was Dual Core 2.0ghz and its nowhere near fast enough, that might be because its max resolution was 1280x800, but still. If your going to be recording in 720 i suggest a monitor that is at or above 1080 max. That way during playback the playback window (be it Windows Media Player or Quicktime) isnt bigger then the screen itself, where it would have to be shrunk to play on the screen which lags the computer.

[jT415Gz]

Hmm been thinking about what my options are and if I have room for another PCI-e card in my PC, I might just pickup a USB 3.0 card and wait for the Intensity Shuttle to release.

That Shuttle looks like a BEAST and will do what I want and look modern for my setup. HDMI baby~!
The less wires (i.e. component) the better for me. :)

Q: Why does the USB 3.0 port on the Shuttle look like an "Ethernet" sized port? I swear USB 3.0 still uses the conventional 1.1/2.0 connectors? Or is that port a combination of USB 3.0 and Optical ports stacked together?

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/

ah hah usb 3.0: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/everything_you_need_know_about_usb_30_plus_first_s pliced_cable_photos

[AcIdC0R3]

It's not different. It's probably just the blue coloring. The USB 3.0 standard is meant to be backwards compatible with USB 1.0 and 2.0 so it has to have the same cable plug as it's predecessors. Although, I'm not too sure on wire placement inside the cable. On Monoprice I have seen dedicated USB 3.0 cables so that leads me to believe it is a different cable than it's predecessors, just the same type of plug. Once you get your Shuttle, I would pick you up a dedicated USB 3.0 cable. Then again, it will probably already come with one.

Cheers...

Edit: I didn't read the article until just now. I goes on to say exactly what I just said. :D

- A.

[AllTimeMitch]

It's not different. It's probably just the blue coloring. The USB 3.0 standard is meant to be backwards compatible with USB 1.0 and 2.0 so it has to have the same cable plug as it's predecessors. Although, I'm not too sure on wire placement inside the cable. On Monoprice I have seen dedicated USB 3.0 cables so that leads me to believe it is a different cable than it's predecessors, just the same type of plug. Once you get your Shuttle, I would pick you up a dedicated USB 3.0 cable. Then again, it will probably already come with one.

Cheers...

Edit: I didn't read the article until just now. I goes on to say exactly what I just said. :D

- A.

Pretty much correct, here is a correct article explaining it all.

Card
To use USB 3.0, you will need a new card if it is not built onto your computers motherboard. The USB 3.0 Ports on the card are the same rectangle size from USB 1.0 and 2.0 so all the old products will still work completely fine although they will still run at the same speed that they was designed for.

Cable
The USB 3.0 Cable has been changed to make room for the additional pins for SuperSpeed mode. Although the host part of the cable has not been changed meaning that USB 3.0 cables can be used on legacy USB 1.0 and USB 2.0 Cards.

The device part of the cable has been changed to make room for the additional pins for SuperSpeed mode meaning that USB 3.0 Cables can only be used on USB 3.0 Devices.

Devices
USB 3.0 Devices will only work with the USB 3.0 Cables although the cables can be used on USB 1.0 and 2.0 hosts if the devices is backwards compatible (The Blackmagic Intensity is not).

Overall
USB 3.0 Cards are fully backwards compatible with USB 1.0 and USB 2.0 Device Cables.

USB 3.0 Cables can be used on both USB 1.0, USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 Host Ports although they can only be used on USB 3.0 devices.

USB 3.0 Devices can be used on both USB 1.0, USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 only if the device is backwards compatible such as a external HDD.

[AcIdC0R3]

My new Alienware has the ATI 5970 w/ 3.2 ghz. First time i have EVER seen Sony Vegas (64-bit) NEVER drop a frame rate in 720p file preview. Its so epic because i can edit HD with no lag.

The HD PVR only supports component video and Optical Audio. And machinima is one of the only companys that actually make money off of Video Game videos on Youtube. They have Machinima Sports, Machinima Respawn, and the normal Machinima Channel (Which is one of the most subscribed channels on youtube, if you click on "Categories" and "Gaming", it actually says "Machinima")

Well, I finally took the plung and ordered the Hauppauge HD PVR today. Let's hope that it is all that everybody says it is. I used my Dazzle once and said screw this, the videos blow. The PVR and Sony Vegas Pro 9 x64 should produce some really high quality videos. 720p and 1080i. tiiite!

Cheers...

[LoJack]

the HD PVR is a great record...doesnt need a top notch pc to run it and the quality is amazing, even the files sizes are small enough to just upload raw footage to youtube. i think the colors need to be adjusted abit , but the default are still very good. i had this capture card for about 3 to 4 months, and it just work great...rendered video using vegas pro 9 and Premiere pro CS5...they look very nice on YouTube. now about 2 to 3 weeks ago i gave the HD PVR to my son who also records his gaming and i picked up the BM Intensity Shuttle, i gotta say it took hours and hours to get this thing working right, and come to find out i had a older driver installed for the USB 3.0 card...i got that fix and this thing looks amazing, well worth the stress and wait...lol. so if anybody is looking to get the HD PVR, Shuttle, or even the Intensity Pro, those 3 are the way to go for HD recording. well guys i just wanted to add my opinion to this thread...i havent been on these forums for about 4 months now and wanted to see if anybody esle use capture cards when playing. small update on the headphones...had A40 set since Feb. and still going strong, never play without them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KLb9DhPEvU
later everyone! Peace!

[downmaster]

I just got an hauppauge HD PVR the other day. I was wondering what settings are good to record on. Also have any of you guys tried streaming yet with one. I want to start doing that, but didn't know the right settings.

[AcIdC0R3]

Try YouTube. There are a ton of 'Best Settings' videos there.

Cheers...

[RPAL]

I just got an hauppauge HD PVR the other day. I was wondering what settings are good to record on. Also have any of you guys tried streaming yet with one. I want to start doing that, but didn't know the right settings.

The HD PVR won't show up on most streaming sites unless your extremely lucky, you have to use a PC recorder which streams to sites, and record the preview window in the HD PVR recording program.

As for settings to record on, the HD PVR records exactly what it inputs unless you change it. Don't change it unless its slowing down your computer and you can't handle the file sizes. For rendering in Sony Vegas or other programs there are hundreds of videos on youtube showing the best settings. All of them will give great results, but in Sony Vegas there is a button to match the input settings so you don't have to fill it all out.

[AcIdC0R3]

Hey RPAL, what do you use to create your intros for your videos? Adobe After Effects? I'm going to use After Effects and see what I can do. I haven't used it yet so now would be a good time since I just bought the PVR and I'm going to record either 720p or 1080i.

Cheers...

[camoct15]

i like the dazzle dvc 100 here is a link so you can see the quality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33I-4abIiLs

[AcIdC0R3]

i like the dazzle dvc 100 here is a link so you can see the quality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33I-4abIiLs

I don't mean to be rude but I can't even tell if that is grass or sand you're walking through let alone any team player names. RPAL posted this link which shows the difference between three formats and the quality of each. You should get you a HD PVR. :)

Cheers...

[AllTimeMitch]

i like the dazzle dvc 100 here is a link so you can see the quality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33I-4abIiLs

I agree with Acid, outputting in 1080p doesn't make it high definition, it just makes the quality worser as you are stretching out the quality.

Get a HDPVR, they work and they produce a nice sexy high definition picture for YouTube.

[camoct15]

ya but thats not bad for the price it works just fine for proof for gamebattles

[RPAL]

Hey RPAL, what do you use to create your intros for your videos? Adobe After Effects? I'm going to use After Effects and see what I can do. I haven't used it yet so now would be a good time since I just bought the PVR and I'm going to record either 720p or 1080i.

Cheers...

I'm lost here. What do you mean my intros? If its in one of my videos, please link it and explain because I'm confused. :D

Also, record in 720p. First person shooters are way to fast for interlaced and you will see the lacing. I use 1080i when recording a TV channel, other games that don't have loads of stuff flying by would work best.

[AcIdC0R3]

I'm lost here. What do you mean my intros? If its in one of my videos, please link it and explain because I'm confused. :D

Also, record in 720p. First person shooters are way to fast for interlaced and you will see the lacing. I use 1080i when recording a TV channel, other games that don't have loads of stuff flying by would work best.

I was looking at Machinima and seen that they were using an intro to the montage for their name. Well anyways I'm creating an intro for my gameplay movies.

[AJRogers]

I use After Effects for my intros.

[AcIdC0R3]

That's what I'm playing around with right now. I hope they turn out alright. Thanks.

Cheers...

[AllTimeMitch]

I have a copy of Sony Vegas although I haven't installed it as well no idea how to use it :p. If I knew how to use it, I would be intro mad and montage mad :p.

- AllTimeMitch

[AcIdC0R3]

I have a copy of Sony Vegas although I haven't installed it as well no idea how to use it :p. If I knew how to use it, I would be intro mad and montage mad :p.

- AllTimeMitch

There are a bunch of best settings and how to videos on YouTube for both Vegas and After Effects.

[RPAL]

I was looking at Machinima and seen that they were using an intro to the montage for their name. Well anyways I'm creating an intro for my gameplay movies.

Ahh, see you said my intros in the last quote. Anyway, i'm fairly certain Machinima uses Final Cut Pro (or whatever the best Mac software is) for their videos they make, because i know the guys at respawn all use macs. For videos sent in the most popular program is sony vegas. If your talking about the spinning machinima logo, thats could well be After Effects.

I'm sort of a newb with After Effects as well, just messing around with it untill i get the hang of it. Thats what i did with Vegas and now I'm pretty damn fluent in that.

[AcIdC0R3]

Ahh, see you said my intros in the last quote. Anyway, i'm fairly certain Machinima uses Final Cut Pro (or whatever the best Mac software is) for their videos they make, because i know the guys at respawn all use macs. For videos sent in the most popular program is sony vegas. If your talking about the spinning machinima logo, thats could well be After Effects.

I'm sort of a newb with After Effects as well, just messing around with it untill i get the hang of it. Thats what i did with Vegas and now I'm pretty damn fluent in that.

Yeah, I'm trying to create an intro for my gameplay recordings that I can put onto the beginning of each one with After Effects. Right now I'm messing around with some text to sand effects. It looks pretty tiiite. I've been trying out the Trapcode Form pluggin. There is a lot to it though. The effects are incredible.

[AcIdC0R3]

Hey RPAL, do you have the Trapcode plug-in? Just curious as I need to ask you something about it.

Cheers...

DISREGARD: I figured it out.

[AcIdC0R3]

RPAL, I want thank you for suggesting the Hauppauge HD PVR. I'm like really liking this thing. With 64 bit Sony Vegas and Adobe After Affects with the Trapcode plugin things are looking real good. Thanks dude. :)

[RPAL]

RPAL, I want thank you for suggesting the Hauppauge HD PVR. I'm like really liking this thing. With 64 bit Sony Vegas and Adobe After Affects with the Trapcode plugin things are looking real good. Thanks dude. :)

Glad you like it. Be careful though, I move mine around a lot and the inputs are becoming loose and harder to put the wires back in once i take them out. This is mainly because I record in multiple places. Just don't use cables that grip on to the inputs unless you don't plan on moving the HD PVR a lot, which i'm sure most people don't do. :D

[AcIdC0R3]

Glad you like it. Be careful though, I move mine around a lot and the inputs are becoming loose and harder to put the wires back in once i take them out. This is mainly because I record in multiple places. Just don't use cables that grip on to the inputs unless you don't plan on moving the HD PVR a lot, which i'm sure most people don't do. :D

Nah, I won't be moving mine. Thanks once again.

[AcIdC0R3]

Thanks to madmike2828 I was able to do a little research and found a way to record Live Commentary with your Hauppauge HD PVR. I found a couple of videos on YouTube and THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV__ADLaIvg) one seems to be the most reliable. If anyone finds a better way please feel free to let us know.

Cheers...

EDIT: I thought of maybe a more simple way if you just want your voice and not those of your teammates. Using a program call Audacity you could essentially record to it at the same time your HD PVR is recording to it's file. When you go to edit it in your editing software you can add your file that you created using Audacity to the same timeline and have your live commentary. Once again, you would just have your voice and not those of your teammates.

[SwedeMontages]

I will recomand the HD PVR, its relly amazing, i got mine last crismas and i love the 720 p recordnings

[XPureInstinctX]

I will recomand the HD PVR, its relly amazing, i got mine last crismas and i love the 720 p recordnings

Why you reducing it to only 720p?

[AllTimeMitch]

Why you reducing it to only 720p?

720p is better than 1080i because it's progressive, not interlaced and supports 60 frames per seconds.

[fr8cture]

Why you reducing it to only 720p?

It dosent record in 1080p

[AcIdC0R3]

It dosent record in 1080p
Mitch didn't say it recorded in 1080p. He said 1080i, which is correct.

[XPureInstinctX]

It dosent record in 1080p

I didnt say it did. It does however record in 1080i, like Mitch stated.


720p is better than 1080i because it's progressive, not interlaced and supports 60 frames per seconds.

Debatable lol. You can hardly say one is better then the other. They both have positives and negatives and it really depends on what you are capturing as to which you use. I use 1080i only cause imo it gives a clearly image as compared to the 720p. Thats just how i see it though. (and yes i have used my HDPVR on both settings)